Dodgers Acquire Dessens

There will be more on this to come, but I wanted to break the news here that we’ve re-acquired Elmer Dessens in exchange for Odalis Perez, Single-A right-handers Blake Johnson and Julio Pimentel and cash considerations.

Given that I read all your comments each day, I’m assuming most of you will like this deal, but until I get the chance to write again, feel free to debate the pros and cons here. After all, that’s what this blog is all about anyway, right?

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Enjoy Kansas City you crybaby, nice knowing you……

Josh,

Will the Royals be assuming all of the remaining money owed to Odalis? If so then this is a great deal for the Dodgers. – Thanks, Tx.

FINALLY HES GONE, BUT PIMENTAL HAS REALLY GOOD STUFF, YEAH HES HAVING A BAD YEAR, BUT I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE GIVEN UP TO MUCH..

I’m not really sure how this helps. IMO, Dessens and Perez are basically the same pitcher. They’ll eat up innnigs when we are getting blown out. And to give up two minor leaguers as well? I can understand having to give cash because of Odalis’ salary, but Dessens doesn’t warrant two minor leaguers too.

well, most of us wanted to get rid of him for so long..i myself wrote many posts, on how much i hate him.. but to give up 2 young arms?… well, at least hes gone.. the cancer is gone!…

Hey Josh, thanks for the update. I posted this on the DodgerThoughts blog but am repeating here: think just based purely on the fact that Odalis has been banished to the hinterlands that are the Kansas City Royals makes this a good and pleasurable deal in my opinion. I actually like Dessens better as a long reliever than OP. BUT I assume (hope) Blake Johnson was thrown in because the Royals are going to assume the majority of OP’s salary? If not, then I really don’t understand this deal. If they are taking on the money, then I get it.

Josh, I second Tx’s question:

How much of a cash “consideration” are the Dodgers giving up?

I’m a little disappointed about losing Blake Johnson, but sometimes you need to give up a future piece in order to right the ship now.

Thanks for getting the info out there once again, Josh.

how good are the prospects we are sending to get rid of odalis? one sad note, the last remaining link to mike piazza. the day fox ruined the dodgers.

Well, I guess it’s kind of a neutral feeling really, but then something made me feel good. On the upside, Odalis was let go of without his salary clogging up the future (although I want to know what those cash considerations are). Dessens will be an average middle reliever. Losing Blake Johnson will hurt, though, and I’m especially concerned that so much of our future in starting pitching prospects has been traded off. If we landed another SP prospect for someone like Danys Baez, JD Drew, or someone like that, then I would feel a lot better. What makes a difference is are we paying $5 million or $15 million.

My prediction, though, is that these “cash considerations” will mostly go towards signing Luke Hochevar. That Odalis will be there to corrupt Hochevar, thus ruining his future, makes the deal worthwhile.

I’m a new Dodger fan this season (Nomar has always been one of my favorite players) and I rarely get to see a life game (I’m in Detroit but I do watch the GameDay quite often) so I’ll take everyone’s word on how bad Perez is. However, as I’ve had the pleasure of watching my Tigers beat the Royals 11 times already this year, Dessens was definately one of the weaker KC relievers and not someone who seems worthy of 3 players (even if Perez is worthless, from what everyone on this blog says, your minor leaguers are pretty valuable) + cash.

Just my two cents, not really sure how much it’s worth. I’ll keep reading the blog, watching the gameday and hoping for a turn around for you guys (if anyone knows how quickly losing can wear you down, it’s this Tigers fan since birth)

one more note, dodger fans should be very wary of coletti giving up young arms. he was sabeans right hand man when the giants sent joe nathan (all star last year), francisco liriano (all star this year) and boof bonser to the twins for aj pierzynski. I live in the bay area, Giant fans talk about this tade constantly on sports talk radio. hes now traded away four young arms for elmer dessens and danys baez. please no more young arms.

1. It is difficult to have one’s cake and eat it too. I know it is better for Odalis and the team that he play elsewhere. I wish him well and hope he finds success and happiness with KC.
2. I am never happy to see 20 year old pitchers listed in the Dodgers top 10 pitching prospects go. I expect they had to be sacrificed to strike this deal. Congrats to the whole staff for securing good prospects in the 2006 draft to take the place of Johnson and Pimentel- Kershaw, Morris and hopefully White.

3. I hope the Dodgers didn’t have to eat too much of Perez’s salary. On the surface it looks as if we got fleeced just to dump Odalis. However, had to be done. Team chemistry, spirit, contribution is all important. Tough decision and I applaud GM Colletti for biting a bullet and getting it done. I expect this was one of a number of not so good options but far better than eating his whole salary for nothing.

4. I’m not sure what Dessens has to offer as his 2006 stats

are not great but it is better than Odalis could offer in his present state of mind.

5. On the surface I believe KC wins in this deal. Below the surface the Dodgers are betterc off so let’s call it a draw. Thanks for the headsup Josh.

Mason, both guys that got sent to the DRays are on the DL and have struggled. Jackson was overrated and Tiffany we have to wait and see.

DT reports that $8 million is being sent to KC.

So if you imagine the Dodgers DFAing Perez, they traded Johnson and Pimentel for Dessens and $7 million.

i’m glad he’s gone though it would have been nice to get SOMEBODY in return. did we try to get mike macdougal? fortunately we have a strong farm system so it shouldn’t be a big blow.

i agree with mason – the giants philosophy was (still is) to use older vets and coletti was a part of that front office. however they did get to the world series while he was there.

I think that remaining $7 million should be declared exclusively an addition to the budget for draft picks over the next two years, enabling us to pick up a hot shot major league ready starting pitcher.

Then I’ll say its a great deal.

Otherwise, it’s just plain meh.

To clarify for all, Ned just told the media that the Dodgers saved about $3 million total over the course of the deal.

Well, let’s give Logan White that $3 million to spend on draft picks.

The big question is, who will Danys Baez be traded for?

Don’t see how this is going to make much difference at the end of the season. Everybody apparently wanted Odalis gone, maybe too much so, because I never felt that the coaching staff (Honeycutt) ever put in any work to straighten Odalis’ pitching out after he went into the doghouse. So, at least Dessens should be available to us for more innings than Odalis was. Unfortunately we currently only seem to have one reliable starter, so Dessens will probably show us what he’s got very soon.

Odalis had to go, but the price seems high to get Dessens, who could have been re-signed in the offseason if you really valued him, shows what other teams think of Perez that this is what Ned could get for him.

This is just another sideways move. It doesn’t make us better, doesn’t make us worse. We’re just the same, except the terrible pitcher now goes by another name. I don’t understand this nonsense. Either make some deals to help us make a run or have a fire sale and let’s start from scratch. I want to see some progress in ANY direction, not just making these small crappy deals.

Patriotacts you are right. That money will sign Hochevar. I noted your post yesterday re: Loney. I have always felt Delwyn Young was the odd man out and probably still is. Now I feel that since Guzman is getting time at 1B he is the heir apparent to first base. I expect he is seen as having a higher ceiling than Loney. That makes Loney expendable as an outfielder. Loney hits well at AAA and I have read he has soft hands and is a good first baseman. Decisions, decisions.

By the way, don’t forget today’s live web chat with Steve Garvey at 2 p.m.

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/fan_forum/chat.jsp?c_id=la

I like the fact that Odalis and his selfishness are gone, but I believe that this isn’t a good trade at all. We basically lost a starting pitcher, albeit one who’s been relegated to the bullpen of late, and gave up two good, young arms AND payed the Royals the money to sign Hochevar. This deal was more about getting rid of Perez than anything else, but we gave up too much for the Royals to bite on it. Elmer Dessens??? Whoa… this deal really stinks, now that it starts to sink in.

I’m glad Perez is sent off to Kansas. Enjoy. Poetic him and Hochevar ( SP? ) landing there.

But the Dodgers lost again. Ned can sign free agents sweetly, but man, he seemingly can’t swing a deal. Dodgers will be getting robbed blind by bad trades under his tenure, I fear.

Nevertheless I take what is good from this – Perez is gone. ( Saved 3 million? Doesn’t seem like much. That buys us that gammy left leg of Drew’s, plus his plywood wrists )

I don’t know…I feel kind of badly for OP. I mean yes, he was/is getting paid a load of money, but money is not everything. I can imagine how he must have felt, struggling as he did, and I can imagine the treatment by his former teammates and fans did not help the situation. But the fact of the matter is, when he would walk in from left field, I would cringe thinking about what was to come. As a person, I’m sad to see him go. He was always very friendly to fans, throwing balls into the stands, signing when he was asked—at least from what I saw. Oh and how I will miss hearing him ramble on his cell phone in Spanish as I peer into the Dodgers’ parking lot. Peace out OP and I wish you the best.

I really hate giving up young players for mediocre vets. I would’ve rather they just released OP outright, kept the 2 young pitchers and ate the extra 3 million they ended up saving on this trade. Odalis would’ve been out of the locker room while we still keep the young pitchers. I don’t like the deal at all. In fact the more trades Colletti makes, the less I like him.

Young promising players for mediocre vets that don’t improve the team seems to be the trend here.

ODP gone for Dessens. How does that improve the club? Maybe the chemistry, but not on the field. On the other hand ,it dosen’t make us any worse except for losing the prospects. I wouldn’t want Neds job. Whatever he does he’s going to upset somebody.

fliegel – “I wouldn’t want Neds job. Whatever he does he’s going to upset somebody.”

Absolutely. Being the GM is being in the hot seat. I guess you need a good sense of humour and a pretty thick skin for that job. Hope Colletti can swing some sort of wonder trade that will turn off some of the heat on him.

trapp76 – I’d rather they released him and ate the 3 million too. But we haven’t seen Dessens pitch for us yet … perhaps … hmmm wait, perhaps not. He was the one reliever I was sad to see go, though.

Josh-
I was just recently made aware of your blog. You’re awesome.

Another joke of a trade. Would have rather had Perez DFA’d then given up 2 young pitching prospects and Odalis. Sure Odalis was a cancer, etc. etc. but he had a MUCH higher upside than Elmer ******* Dessens.

And the comment about Jackson being over rated and “wait and see” about Tiffany to somehow explain the Baez deal. Dude, Jackson is 22 years old and you’re writing him off? Its not like Billingsly is tearing it up right now, is he over rated to? Making the transition from AAA to the big show is tough man and pretty much everyone struggles, with the obvious exception of Liriano, Weaver Jr., Prior and a few others.

There is no reason to give up young arms to dump Odalis, and only net $3 mil. Someone was right on with the Liriano/Nathan comparison…lets just get guys like Drew and D. Lowe out of here, pick up some solid young guys, and get ready for 2007. We’re going nowhere this year.

colletti is a disaster when it comes to pitching. all of his pitching moves have stunk. he gave up our best reliever from last year for a marginal starter that stunk. then he moved him and navarro for another questionable pitcher. so thats sanchez and navarro for hendrickson. thats a winning combo. even if jackson and tiffany havent done anything yet, what has baez done?he was supposed to be insurance for gagne. well gagne did his thing, and baez is supposed to step up. baez has done his thing, in a contract year no less, and he has stunk up the joint. the dodgers are supposed to be about pitching. newcombe, drysdale, koufax, sutton sutcliffe, valenzuela, hershiser, pedro and ramon – all pitchers we developed.who was the last pitcher we were able to develop, gagne = steriods, doesnt count. you must have patience, pitchers take a long time to develop. its about innings pitched more than anything. jackson who had all the talent in the world wasn’t handled properly and has flamed out because of it. the kid was an outfielder not a pitcher, and they threw him to the lions promoting him so fast. sutcliffe came up pitched well, and then went back into the minors for more prep time, a year or two. same thing that should have happened to jackson and should happen to billingsley. lets hope the organization is able to figure it out and develop pitching. oh yeah a couple more pitchers we rushed up – park and dreifort.

I thought that trading OP anywhere would be a steal for us but I’ve been sorely mistaken. The money really annoys me in this trade. Why wouldn’t McCourt just **** it up and give Colletti the go ahead to release Perez? It really makes no sense to get rid of two young arms that were considered top prospects, just to save 3 million dollars.

I’m not a quitter but it appears that we’re going to be sellers at the trade deadline so I’m sure Colletti will replenish the farm with young arms using Hall, Baez, possibly Izturis, and maybe Penny to the Mets for Pelfey (if his contract is up at the end of the season, I’m not sure).

I don’t want any of our young prospects traded for mediocre players that probably aren’t going to make much of a difference for the rest of this season

Perez may have been right about turning his performance around with a few more starts, but his whinging and desulatory attitude really seemed to be taking a toll on the Dodgers as a whole. It only takes one guy spewing negativity to bring everyone down and I for one am pleased to see him go.

I don’t know much about the two kids we got in the trade, but why Dessens?! That’s really confusing. Is the Dodgers franchise just a big merry-go-round?

On another subject, what is in store for Loney in the near future since he is being tested as an outfielder out in Vegas?

THANK GOD Odalis the crybaby of all crybabies is gone!!! I don’t mind giving up the 2 kids to get rid of him. At least now the OP cancer is in remission!!!

Here’s something to think about. Everybody knows we have tons of talent in all levels of the minors. Well, the dodgers can only hoard the young talent for so long. After three or four years from their original signing they have to be protected by being placed on the 40 man roster. Otherwise, they can be lost in the Rule 5 draft. So, it would make sense to start trading some of that talent before taking the gamble of losing it in the draft.

I guess I bring this up because the Dodgers have traded away several prospects this year for pretty much nothing good in return. The only reason I can think of to trade something for nothing is if you are going to lose what you have anyway. Unfortunately, I don’t think that is what’s going on here. Colletti makes me think he doesn’t have a clue about trading.

I should mention that getting prospects for Alomar was nice to see.

sometimes you have to cut off a leg to cure the cancer, but if you cut off 2 leggs, you don’t have a leg to stand on. pimentel (number 16) and johnson (number 17) were very good prospects, while they might be of the blocked by better prospects, I can not see trading them for Dressens.
is too steep a price.releasing perez and eating his salary would have helpes us more in the long run

7/25/06 Acquired RHP Elmer Dessens from the Kansas City Royals for LHP Odalis Perez, nonroster RHPs Blake Johnson and Julio Pimentel and cash considerations.

If there is only a 3 million dollar savings then the Royals made bank.

O.P. is guaranteed 16.5 million between 06-08 (1.5 mil buyout in 08). Dessens is guanranteed 3.4 million with no 08 option. The difference is 13.1 million. So the Dodgers gave the Royals close to 10 million to take O.P. if the Dodgers *saved* 3 million over the life of O.P.s contract

Royals just got O.P. for 2 years at 3.25million a year PLUS 2 solid minor league pitching prospects AND upgraded their rotation by doing it.

Maybe my math is bad but this doesnt seem like much of a deal for the Dodgers.

magarcia23 makes a few good points.

But I still feel more like gadams12!

I take solace in the fact that hopefully the front office knows what they’re doing, since this is their business after all. Sometimes a fan can offer a fresh perspective uncluttered by trees ( unable to see the forest for the trees ) and sometimes you need the inside track to do the best deal.

you guys seriously thought we were going to get a deal for Odalis, nobody wanted him. Look where they sent him, to Kansas City, he will go cry some more overthere, wait till he has to face the White Sox, and the Tigers they will want to pay us to get him back.

That 10 mil is most likely split up so the Dodgers probably pay around 3.5 million for the rest of 06, 5 million for 07. and the entire 1.5 buyout in 08.

personally, my favorite trades are the ones where we send money with the player. i know perez is a disaster and had to go, but i still can’t get over depodesta shipping off green and paying his contract. more magic from the dodger front office.

Almost every deal Colletti has done has involved a yong pitcher. Cant keep giving up the most precious commodity that the organization is already shallow in to shore up short term in sideways moves…
That is unless he is willing to pay for the real deal-already in their prime asking 55/5year type pitcher in free agency.

1/4/06 Acquired RHP Jae Seo and LHP Tim Hamulack from the New York Mets in exchange for RHP Duaner Sanchez and RHP Steve Schmoll.

1/14/06 Acquired RHP Danys Baez and RHP Lance Carter from the Devil Rays in exchange for RHP Edwin Jackson and LHP Chuck Tiffany.

6/27/06 Acquired C Toby Hall, LHP Mark Hendrickson and cash from the Devil Rays for C Dioner Navarro, RHP Jae Seo and a PTBN

7/23/06 Traded C Sandy Alomar Jr. to the White Sox in exchange for RHP B.J. LaMura.

I have to give Ned props on the Ethier deal which i failed to put first in the timeline. In fact, the Ethier deal is the antithesis of Neds latest trade of O.P. for Dessens. Colletti actually got something good even though everyone else knew Bradley had to be traded. The O.P. deal was the Dodgers sending a humongous lemon…and alot of sugar….and a pre-made wooden stand to the Royals so they can make some lemonade and sell it later if they choose–all that in return for a smaller lemon.

I am so irritated. We go from one crappy GM to another. Is it just me or could a group of guys like us make better decisisons than the last 2 GMs of the Dodgers.

I mean this is the 3rd or 4th deal that Ned has been takin to the cleaners on.

Dessens? This guy will not even pitch for us. Just pure stupidity that we gave up that much for DESSESNS! Who we could have signed earlier this year.

I am just so frustrated w/ all the losing lately. And this trade isn’t heliping anything.

Like some1 earlier mentioned, just another sideways move. COME ON NED, DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE.

Almost every deal Colletti has done has involved a yong pitcher. Cant keep giving up the most precious commodity that the organization is already shallow in to shore up short term in sideways moves…
That is unless he is willing to pay for the real deal-already in their prime asking 55/5year type pitcher in free agency.

1/4/06 Acquired RHP Jae Seo and LHP Tim Hamulack from the New York Mets in exchange for RHP Duaner Sanchez and RHP Steve Schmoll.

–Dont have Seo anymore. Hamulack is busy getting pounded in AAA. Sanchez is doing alright. We could use him right about now.–

1/14/06 Acquired RHP Danys Baez and RHP Lance Carter from the Devil Rays in exchange for RHP Edwin Jackson and LHP Chuck Tiffany.

–Sideways move at best considering trade 1. Too early to tell because of Tiffanys upside. Jackson hasnt regained form. He is still young. Tiffany is still developing. Meanwhile Baez lost his job as closer and is doing about the job Sanchez in trade 1 would have done. Carter blew many a lead frustratingly and is haunting AAA. Trade boils down to 2 SP prospects for one set up guy–the type of guy which we just traded away not too long ago in Duaner Sanchez. Oh and he was younger, cheaper, and not spouting off to the media about his role as well.–

6/27/06 Acquired C Toby Hall, LHP Mark Hendrickson and cash from the Devil Rays for C Dioner Navarro, RHP Jae Seo and a PTBN

–Mostly sideways/slightly downgraded move. Dodgers got a disgruntled catcher and a pitcher who loses just as well as Seo, but is left handed, pricier, and older. Oh yeah, and we gave up a better, younger, cheaper, and probably happier catcher. If Ned could have been a little more patient, the price on Navarro would have went way, way up.–

7/23/06 Traded C Sandy Alomar Jr. to the White Sox in exchange for RHP B.J. LaMura.

–A decent move. Too bad most of the credit probably goes to Williams as he was doing a favor for Alomar. Who cares how LaMura turns out, we did it for the roster spot.–

I have to give Ned props on the Ethier deal which i failed to put first in the timeline. In fact, the Ethier deal is the antithesis of Neds latest trade of O.P. for Dessens. Colletti actually got something good even though everyone else knew Bradley had to be traded. The O.P. deal was the Dodgers sending a humongous lemon…and alot of sugar….and a pre-made wooden stand to the Royals so they can make some lemonade and sell it later if they choose–all that in return for a smaller lemon.

the root of the problem is mccourt. he fired the gm that started the process of rebuilding with the farm. Dan Evans put the people in place to get and develop the talent. and on top of that, he built a division winner while keeping the farm intact. the only division winner in the past 10 years. even though depo was in power, it was evans players and manager that won that year. then mccourt got power and decided he needed his own man and hired a rookie, that flopped about like edwin jackson. plus he told evans not to sign vlad guerrero while the sale was pending. mccourt has stalled the progress of the organization by at least 5 years. i dont understand why we keep making all of these trades. team cohesion, unity, and chemistry are developed over months and years, not during days and weeks. guess we will have to wait some more for a true pennant contender. Dodgers in 08!!

with perez gone that leaves only 3 pitchers on the roster from opening day: Penny, Lowe and Baez. Obviously there was a problem but have we really upgraded that much. I think we have actually backtracked. Hendrickson appears to be as bad as his record. Billingsley is not ready yet. Lowe is in a funk. Sele is inconsistant but actually performing better than can be expected. Penny is doing decent but can only pitch 5 innings. What we have is a #2 pitcher(Penny), a #3 pitcher in Lowe and a #5 pitcher in Sele. Billingsley should be in the minors and Hendrickson does not appear that he should be on the team. Ned let’s make a non sideways trade and get a decent #1 pitcher in here. Drew and izturis have some trade value and have replacements available within our system. Trade them along with Hall and get a Good pitcher and a backup catcher who is willing to be a backup catcher without complaining.

Thank You.
Perez is gone.

Thank You, so very much.

Good review of Ned’s in season moves:

http://fifthoutfielder.blogspot.com/

He’s basically done the following according to the Fifth Outfileder:

- traded lefty starter Perez for lefty starter Hendrickson, straight up

- traded right-handed swingman Jae Seo for right-handed swingman Elmer Dessens

- picked up back-up catcher Toby Hall….in exchange, he gave up backup Sandy Alomar and Julio Pimentel

- pick up BJ LaMura, a decent arm who is probably too old to figure to have great value……..for $7 million (about the amount he’d netted on the above salary swaps), two very good prospects in Dioner Navarro and Blake Johnson and Justin Ruggiano.

Add it all up and it doesn’t look very good in summary.

dont forget the best pitcher he apparently just gave away duaner sanchez

Yeah, the post was only a review of the moves that he’s made since the season started…..thats why it didn’t mention Sanchez.

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