A little postseason history lesson

After qualifying for the playoffs, the Dodgers are still aiming to capture consecutive National League West titles for the first since 1977 and 1978. Tommy Lasorda and Joe Torre are the only two managers to lead Los Angeles to the playoffs in their first two seasons piloting the Dodgers. Lasorda and Gabby Street (1930-31 Cardinals) are the only N.L. managers to win pennants in their first two seasons as manager.

This is also the first time the Dodgers have reached the playoffs four times in a six-year span since the Brooklyn Dodgers reached the World Series four times in a five-year span from 1952-56. The “playoff” losses in 1946, 1951, 1962 and 1980 are considered part of the regular season as tiebreakers, thus don’t count as a postseason appearance.

The only Brooklyn manager to come close to reaching the playoffs in his first two full seasons was Burt Shotton, who replaced Leo Durocher during the 1948 season and finished in third place. In 1949, Shotton’s Dodgers won the 1949 National League pennant and nearly repeated in 1950, missing a chance to force a playoff with the Phillies by losing at home against Philadelphia on the final day of the regular season.

Brooklyn’s Ned Hanlon won consecutive N.L. pennants in his first two seasons as Dodger manager in 1899 and 1900, but the World Series didn’t begin until 1903.

— Mark Langill

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  1. messagebear@msn.com

    I personally enjoy most of the tongue in cheek stuff that Simers writes. He certainly holds no reverence for the owner, management and even certain players on the team. My feelings for the same are way more extreme that Simer’s.

    Nonetheless, let’s finally root the Dodgers to the pennant.
    If I had my druthers, I wish they had finished as strong as they started this season, but then ultimately it is about October, so let’s hope they can pull it together for the playoffs.

  2. shad80

    Last Play: N. Punto popped bunted into double play pitcher to third, A. Casilla out at home

    Wow at the Twins and they 2 games back against the Tigers. I think they must’ve seen our game of bad base running.

  3. shad80

    – A. Casilla doubled to deep left
    – M. Tolbert sacrificed to pitcher, A. Casilla to third
    – N. Punto popped bunted into double play pitcher to third, A. Casilla out at home

    Too gosh damn funny.

  4. shad80

    Anyone see what the Angels did after they celebration? They all gone to RF and tapped the Adenhart banner and the players took a pictures.

  5. scott_in_arcadia

    bear, I agree. Simers used to bug me, but he’s the one columnist now that doesn’t kiss up. I also agree that it’s time to root these guys on, otherwise I’ll end up in a straight jacket trying to figure out Joe Torre’s lineups.
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    BTW, this crap about 4 straight playoff appearances cannot be compared to the old single and double division days when it was much harder to make the playoffs as either the only NL rep or one of 2 division winners. Apples and oranges baby.
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    Come on Dodgers!! I’m going to the first home game of the NLDS and I want it to be Game 1!!!

  6. thinkingblue

    MARK – Great History Lesson….and I hope tonight we make more great history.
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    All those attending tonights game….HAVE FUN & CHEER LOUD FOR OUR BOYS.
    *
    LET’S GO DODGERS!

  7. carcyn@sbcglobal.net

    I will be in fourth row section 116 behind 3rd base.
    Cheering on the boys in blue.
    Where are you sitting at crzblue2?

  8. kpookiemon

    I’m off to San Diego, as well….only the second game I will have attended this year–the other being the ITD Tour. TV has made me a VERY lazy fan!

  9. selltheteam

    Lineup from Dodgers Twitter:
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    Furcal SS
    Hudson 2B
    Ethier RF
    Ramirez LF
    Kemp CF
    Loney 1B
    Martin C
    Castro 3B
    Billingsley P
    .
    We almost have a real lineup here. Blake and Belliard must have some real injuries. Hopefully this can get the job done. Bills is going up against a rookie out of the bullpen. Joe needs to watch Bills carefully as he enters the sixth inning. Don’t allow him to implode. We need this one not only for the division, but for home field advantage.

  10. selltheteam

    Oops. Sorry for the double post. Currently experiencing submission issues. Time warping also. My first post came in 20 minutes into the future, while my double post came in right on time. Time stamp: 4:17 pm

  11. shad80

    I still would give Dewitt another start and he did do a very good job for us last year before he gotten in that little slump and had to platoon with him and LaRoche before Blake came here.

  12. shad80

    The Dodgers are looking for their 11th division title (excluding the strike-shortened season of 1981) and third this decade, needing a win or Rockies loss to clinch the NL West. If they win the division, Joe Torre will earn his 13th division title as manager (1 with the Braves, 10 with the Yankees, and this would be his second with the Dodgers), the second-most division crowns won by any manager since divisional play began in 1969. Only Bobby Cox (15 division titles) has more.
    ESPN Stats and Information

    I heard the Reds got screwed in 1981 thanks god they did lol

  13. shad80

    Billingsley, who allowed three runs in six innings, is 0-4 with a 5.45 ERA in his last six starts and has not won since Aug. 18.

    Facing the Padres should give him a good chance to end that streak. He has gone 3-0 with a 3.38 ERA in four starts against San Diego this season.

    While the Dodgers are looking to get healthy before the playoffs, San Diego (72-85) tries to close out a mostly strong second half of the season. The Padres are 15-9 this month and 34-23 since July 28.

  14. Dodger4life

    Good Early Evening ITD, Dodger Faithful and Our Beloved Boy’s in Blue……….
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    Here is my Rah, Rah, Rah for Billz and the Boy’s tonight!
    .
    Champagne celebration aside…..We can use a win tonight for several good reasons…….First to get Billz back to the happy side of the game….secondly as Bowa say’s… Home field advantage is big. Third and foremost we need a hot team, some positive energy and a strong finish to this season.
    .
    I’ve been running a dry test ( these last two games) for the celebration…..Using plain ole water…. and Alka Seltzer for the bubbles….Enough of the Plop, Plop, Fizz Fizz…….
    I want……. POP, POP, FIZZ, FIZZ TONIGHT
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    Pop the catchers mitt….Pop the bat’s……Pop the cork!!!!
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    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!
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    BRING THE RING TO L.A. IN 2009!!!!!
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    Enjoy the game everyone………

  15. shad80

    I still can’t believe this and it seem the Red Sox implode at the right time but they still only need 1 more win to make the playoff.

  16. messagebear@msn.com

    It would be fitting if Billz can be the one to pitch us to the pennant. I know he’s been way off since the All-Star game, and I’ve been on him as much as anybody here, but he still has the most wins on our pitching staff. We likely wouldn’t be here if it wasn’t for the good Billz. I think we need him at his best to come out of the playoffs a winner, and he still is a big part of our future.

    GO BILLZ, GO DODGERS – put it all together and end this frustration!

  17. shad80

    Third baseman Kevin Kouzmanoff could return to the Padres lineup Tuesday after missing 17 games with thigh and back injuries.

    Los Angeles has won 10 of 16 against San Diego this season.

    Damn it figure Kouzmanoff would probably be back.

  18. sparkleplenty_1

    Hey all my blogmates! Got a BIG favor to ask of you . . . I am going to be at my class tonight and won’t be out until around 9:30, so I won’t be listening to or watching the game 😦 The favor is to PLEASE add an cheer to yours when the get the job done tonight! GO DODGERS GO!!!

  19. oldbrooklynfan

    Hi Everybody,
    It’s the old geezer from B’Klyn here.
    Let them try……AGAIN.
    I’m following the lead of my buddy Truebluwill and I bought a bottle of ANDRE’ California champagne.
    I’ll pop the cork as soon as the Dodgers give us a reason to celebrate. (or for that matter the Milwaukee Brewers)
    This is another big night for Bills, I wish him luck.
    I hope the Dodgers don’t make a hero of Cesar Ramos.
    LET THE GAME BEGIN!!!

  20. oldbrooklynfan

    Either the Dodgers are not fully focus, or the other teams are getting pretty good at picking runners of the bases.

  21. nellyjune

    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!!!!!!
    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!!!!!!
    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!!!!!!

  22. jhallwally

    LOL Tru!! Actually, it is just as pathetic as unacceptable!! Oh well, let’s gitter’done!!! Got alot of ballgame to get it right!!!

  23. nellyjune

    WAY TO GO BILLZ!!!!!!!

    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!
    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!
    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!

  24. nellyjune

    THESE SUBMISSION ERRORS ARE BECOMING A MAJOR PAIN IN THE ASSSS!!!!!!!

    LET’S GO BILLZ, LET’S GO!!!!!
    LET’S GO BILLZ, LET’S GO!!!!!
    LET’S GO BILLZ, LET’S GO!!!!!

  25. jhallwally

    I hope so true, I’d like to see a little more “Eye of the Tiger” coming down the home stretch and getting ready for the playoffs.

  26. shad80

    Where was this Furcal at the beginning of the year? Am I’m crazy to say we could’ve probably win 110 game so far and already clinch if Furcal didn’t started off slow?

  27. jhallwally

    OK guys, time to start raking. Just a solo shot, they very seldom kill you early. Time for the offense to get it in gear!!!

  28. koufax1963

    Hi ITD,
    I see most are either at Petco or watching in some manner.
    Got the AnDRE bubbly, got the favorite team shirts and hats, so we can get the good moJOE going. JUST WIN BABY!
    I hope that was Bilz “bad” inning and we can get this Division wrapped up tonight. PHILS won, Cards loss and ROX look to win, but Braves got chopped! Let Go Dodgers!

  29. nellyjune

    IT’S OKAY BILLZ, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT RUN BACK!!!!!! key word is “should” 🙂

    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!
    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!
    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!

  30. jhallwally

    I’d sure rather taste the Cold Duck than watch it!!! C’mon guys, let’s get it done. All we have faced is mediocre pitching at best for about the last week. If you can’t get it done against these guys, I’m not very optimistic about our chances against what we will see in the playoffs. Geez!!!

  31. jhallwally

    I couldn’t care less about the freaking Rockies, we need to take care of our own business. If we lose this game and the Rocks lose to hand us the NL West, do they crack the champagne? Any thoughts????

  32. jhallwally

    Seems a little odd to celebrate when you lose to a sub .500 team for the 3rd game in a row. JMO!!! Kind of like, well yeah, mom died, but we just inherited half a million dollars!!!

  33. nellyjune

    WAY TO GO BILLZ!!!!!

    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!
    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!
    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!

  34. jhallwally

    I’m sorry but I could not come into the clubhouse after losing against a door mat team and celebrate. Hopefully our boys will make it a non issue and score some freaking runs!!!

  35. nellyjune

    jhall – How much of that decision is up to the players and not the organization? I would think if it were strictly up to the players, they would want to win. However, not sure about how management might think differently. It is about media and money in some respects.

  36. brandondaughrity@hotmail.com

    Do you guys remember last year? The cards beat the Dbacks, and then we lost to the Pads…. Making us nl west champs… And boy did they celebrate after that!!

  37. northstateblues

    I’m guessing Pittsburgh turned Charlie Steiner down… because he totally just proposed to Everth Cabrerra, the Puds’ shortstop.

    Sometimes I wonder if he forgets what team he’s rooting for. Cheering good plays is fine, but something tells me his call for a Dodgers clincher will be halfhearted compared to that bottom of the 9th at PNC on Sunday.

  38. brandondaughrity@hotmail.com

    I’m good Nelly… I’d like to see our boys pull out a win tonight…. But again, reminding everyone of last year… and how that went down

  39. jhallwally

    Hi’Ya North, Brandon, and 32!!! Welcome to the impending party!!! Now that you mention it Brandon, I do. I guess you can chalk it off to getting it done all season long to get to this point. Certainly cause for some celebration. Not nearly as sweet, however!!!

  40. jhallwally

    Your right Brooklyn, like I stated earlier, celebrate your collective work for the season. And, don’t look a gift horse in the mouth!!!

  41. brandondaughrity@hotmail.com

    I mean, no matter if they clinch or not…. It’s very concerning to be losing the way they are against the piss poor teams of the league…. I mean, come on guys… The Nats, the Pirates, and now possibly the Pads…. wow

  42. nellyjune

    Well, Joe doesn’t seem to be too worried about Billz, does he? They just had a shot of him. Maybe somebody needs to make sure he is awake.

  43. nellyjune

    Well, we should be able to make up that run.

    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!
    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!
    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!

  44. brandondaughrity@hotmail.com

    It is however looking more and more like Billz will not make the playoff roster at all… The guy just cracks under pressure…. The problem is that he KNOWS that he’s pitching for is playoff roster spot… and he puts even more pressure on himself….. BUT CAN WE GET THE MAN SOME F!@#$ING RUNS AGAINST THIS BS TEAM!!!!!!

  45. nellyjune

    Billz really didn’t pitch that bad. It’s only 2 runs,and he did make it through the 6th inning. The problem is we can’t score any runs.

  46. oldbrooklynfan

    Right now the Dodgers are under pressure to win so you have to expect them to struggle, no matter who they’re playing.
    The Padre’s have nothing to lose, so they’re loose.

  47. brandondaughrity@hotmail.com

    Yeah, I’m thinking as soon as they clinch this thing…. whenever they decide to do that!! They’ll be able to real off 5 or 6 in a row

  48. brandondaughrity@hotmail.com

    I think… really… no excuses…. and honestly, it bothers me how little they seem to care, and think…. “ehh… it’ll happen, and we’ll be fine”

  49. nellyjune

    You know Joe has said all along, he doesn’t seem to be too worried about homefield advantage. Well, the team must have the same mindset because they seem to be playing like it’s no big deal.

  50. oldbrooklynfan

    We’re still alive, the Padres could bring in the wrong pitcher, it’s happened before and everybody knows that.

  51. trublu4ever

    Boy, Charlie really doesn’t like Andre. I wish he’d shut up!!! He’s not the only one not hitting om this road trip, is he?

  52. brandondaughrity@hotmail.com

    They’re obviously pressing… Everyone is…. they need to relax!! Have fun!! When’s the last time these guys looked like they were having fun!! They’re the first place team, with the best record in the NL…. Act like it and enjoy the damn game!! They need to RELAX!!! Quit being so GD uptight!!!

  53. jhallwally

    Ooooh, too much pressure!! Geez!! Give me a break. Hell’, we’re in the dam’n drivers seat!!! We should be playing with the swagger right now.

  54. oldbrooklynfan

    I seen this scene, take place for years.
    They know that their fans want a win badly to clinch and somehow everything gets harder.

  55. brandondaughrity@hotmail.com

    That’s what I’m saying jhall…. They need to laugh a little…. For God sakes… this team last year was sooooo relaxed…. At times they’ve looked like it this year…. But, I’m talking about the Manny antics, and the being goofy…. They helped this team relax and play loose…. They’re just presing…. They need to go to the beach tomorrow or SOMETHING!

  56. truebluewill

    The thing that really gets me is that for weeks we been talking about the Dodgers’ easy schedule in Sept. Playing weak teams like the Nats, Pirates & Padres. If this score holds, and it looks like it will, the Dodgers will be 3 and 5 against those teams. That makes feel really, really sick.

  57. nellyjune

    Andre does have the only RBI of the game. What game is Charlie watching? I am watching the ever so boring as hell Padres announcers.

  58. trublu4ever

    Nellyjune ~ every time Andre comes to bat, Charlie has to say how dreadful he has been on this road trip. If it were Juanpy, he be saying ow fabulous he is. I can’t stand him and wish he’d shut up and let Rick talk once in a while.

  59. nellyjune

    Can I add to the excuses – LOL!!!!!? How about the gray uniforms? These games have felt like that color…………..just dull and boring – blah!!!!!!!

  60. truebluewill

    As disgusted as I feel right now I’m not giving up. I still bleed Dodgers blue. I’m still Truebluewill. Come boys!
    LETS GO DODGERS!!!!!
    LETS GO DODGERS!!!!!
    LETS GO DODGERS!!!!!

  61. oldbrooklynfan

    The Dodgers are streaky, they’ve been that way for a few years now and this is just another downturn.
    Maybe they’ll turn it up in the postseason.
    .
    But we still got another AB tonight.

  62. oldbrooklynfan

    The Dodgers are streaky, they’ve been that way for a few years now and this is just another downturn.
    Maybe they’ll turn it up in the postseason.
    .
    But we still got another AB tonight.

  63. koufax1963

    3,4,5 hitters: 1 for 12, 4 SOs and don’t forget the DPs
    Bilz did alright, again it was the walks that did him in, very much like before.

  64. boblee4014

    Yes Sir, this team sure looks ready for the playoffs. We’re going to get the Cardinals and they are going to kick our A** as usual. We’ll never get past the first series. We totally suck, big time.

  65. jhallwally

    C’est La Vie!!! We’ll whip’em tomorrow!!! Goodnight all, I hope you all have a great night and better tomorrow!!! Excelsior True Believers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  66. truebluewill

    Maybe your right oldbrooklynfan. Maybe we have to go through all this pain now so we can feel the joy of a winning October.

  67. nellyjune

    I always start out the day thinking the Dodgers are going to win today. So, that will happen for sure, and just like oldbrooklynfan says, the sun will rise tomorrow with another chance to finish this division off once and for all.

  68. nellyjune

    I agree 32and53fan!!! I have been saying “we will get it done tomorrow for three days now” It’s getting kind of old. Maybe three is a charm so we won’t have to say it a 4th time.

  69. 32and53fan

    OBF and TBW, that’s what I was thinking before I had to leave the game and go to the store. Just get this horrible play out of their systems and come back strong in the post season. The way Bills gets sloppy after the 5th inning does not bode well for him to be a starting pitcher in the play offs.
    We will get them tomorrow.

  70. 32and53fan

    LOL – a caller to the Dodger Talk radio show just said they should come to the game tomorrow in clown suits.
    I don’t think it is quite that bad…yet.

  71. 32and53fan

    Hi Nelly
    I have not been that active on this board lately. Until I get a new tenant in my rental house, it is hard for me to get too involved in recreational activities. I have been watching in horror the last week as the Dodgers have imploded. It is bad enough to lose, but the way they have beat themselves is just not acceptable.

  72. nellyjune

    I was reminded that the Dodgers have not done anything the easy way all season. So, why would that change now? Not that they are, but it sometimes feels like they do these things on purpose to either test our Dodger Blue loyalty or just pisss us off. Both tactics are working brilliantly if that is the case – LOL!!!!

  73. Dodger4life

    So I say D
    I say D-O,
    D-O-D-G-E-R-S.
    The team that’s all heart,
    All heart and all thumbs,
    They’re my Los Angeles, your Los Angeles,
    Our Los Angeles…
    Do you really think we’ll win the pennant?
    Bums!
    Ooh, ooh, ooh dem bums

  74. dodgereric

    We’ve lost 3 in a row
    4 out of 5
    5 out of 7
    To the worst teams in the league

    We’ve scored 2 runs on 8 hits the last two games to two teams who are in the bottom half of the league in ERA and runs allowed

    Last 7 games we’re hitting .232
    Our team batting average is now .271
    It hasn’t been that low since April 13th

    We give up insurance runs without a hit

    The LA Times can’t tell Casey Blake from Ned Colletti
    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dodgers-padres30-2009sep30,0,2416861.story

    There’s no fire

    “I think we can do it,” Matt Kemp said

    “The champagne will be colder tomorrow,” said Manny Ramirez

    “If it’s worthwhile, it’s worth the wait,” this carefree version of the manager said.

    Some say there’s no panic

    Maybe they can turn it on again as they have before

    It really doesn’t matter

    If we blow this thing, I’ll still be a Dodger fan

    If we catch fire and go all the way, I’ll still be a Dodger fan

    I’d just like to see someone break up a water cooler now and then to show they care a little

    But that’s just me

  75. trublu4ever

    Dodgereric ~ I broke a few things last night! I care!!!! It really hurts me to see them struggle like this!!!
    .
    As you say, though, I am and will always be a Dodger fan!

  76. nellyjune

    dodgereric – Everytime it is mentioned about Andre and his temper when he doesn’t do well. It’s written as a negative thing, which I always took the opposite way that he really cares about winning for his team and doesn’t want to let them down. However, it seems Joe has them all in this attitude that “it will be okay.” Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I really don’t know, but it sure seems to be working against them right now. However, when we win tonight, it won’t matter, will it? Like you said, we are Dodger fans…………enough said 🙂

    BTW – Good Morning ITD readers and writers!!!! It’s going to happen today, right? It’s got to!!!!
    LET’S GO DODGERS, LET’S GO!!!!!!!!!!!

  77. kpookiemon

    Lot’s of Dodger Blue in the streets of San Diego last night. Did hear a fan yell as Rockies victory was posted on the scoreboard, “Not here, not tonight…” And I thought, “Right On!” The Dodgers players either make a statement…or go away. I’ll not make excuses for them or beg for a little TV champagne party. This isn’t about Joe or Ned or Frank or the Rockies or the Padres or whatever. These guys are either championship caliber players or they’re not. There are smoke and mirrors in sports.

  78. Dodger4life

    Good Morning ITD, Dodger Faithful and Our Beloved Boy’s in Blue……………
    .
    The wait continues….so I have some motivational music for the boy’s as we attempt to them get fired up……This first one is rather long 15 minutes……Our offense should Rally half as long…..we have played like this before…here goes
    .
    LET THERE BE ROCK!!!!!!!…….
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QIFyBAtpGE
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    Just go out and………….PLAY !!! PLAY!!!! PLAY!!!!!
    .
    LETS HAVE FUN TONIGHT GENTLEMEN!!!!!!

  79. selltheteam

    I am ticked off beyond belief at this point. We still control our own destiny, but we are not playing like it. The defense has been terrible, and what wins in the playoffs? Pitching and flawless defense. The offense has been terrible, and Manny has not been leading the offense in five months. Furcal, Andre, and Kemp can lead the offense into the playoffs, but they are getting no help from the manager. His lineups and management of the pitching staff are just incredibly poor. Leaving Bills in the game so long in the sixth inning again is just unthinkable. We are still ahead in the loss column by one game over the Phillie phans and two games over the freakin’ genius LaRussa’s Cards. We could also eject the Rockies from the playoffs and play the Braves in the NLDS. I’d much rather play a five game series against the Braves than against either the Phillies or the Cards. But what we’ve got here is a failure in attitude.
    .
    Here’s Joe’s attitude: “What’s worthwhile is worth the wait,” Torre said. Lackluster is an understatement.
    .
    Here’s my attitude: Why wait? Like jhall said, KICK DOWN THE DOOR!
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    SIMPLY UNACCEPTABLE!!!
    Apologies to Robert Palmer, Simply Irresistible
    .
    Thanks to jhall for the inspiration
    .
    Torre’s thinking makes me miserable
    Joe compromised our principle, yeah yeah
    This kind of **it is typical
    His mind is quite fatigable
    .
    He’s a contract Frank endorsed, he’s another dead horse
    Joe plays down to weaker teams like there’s no other course
    He once looked good to Frank, but now I find him
    .
    Simply unacceptable
    Simply unacceptable
    .
    Frank’s loving is so powerful, huh
    He’s simply unteachable
    The signing is irreversible
    The thought is unbearable
    .
    He’s an unnatural wretch, and he sleeps on the bench,
    He deserves no applause, Frank surrendered because
    He once looked good to Ned, but now we find him
    .
    Simply unacceptable
    Simply unacceptable
    .
    Simply unacceptable he’s so bad, Frank tell us where the money went
    Simply unacceptable he can’t coach, theres no other way to go
    .
    He’s unavoidable, I’m backed against the wall
    He gives us feelings like we never felt before
    Joe’s breaking promises, Ned can’t find a clause
    He once looked good to Frank, but now we find him
    .
    Simply unacceptable
    He’s so bad, Frank tell us where the money went
    Simply unacceptable he can’t coach, theres no other way to go
    .
    His methods are unthinkable
    The proof is irrefutable, ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh-ooh
    His mind is so fatigable, huh
    His moves are so defensible
    .
    He’s a contract Frank endorsed, he’s another dead horse
    Joe plays down to weaker teams like there’s no other course
    He once looked good to Frank, but now I find him
    .
    Simply unacceptable
    Simply unacceptable
    .
    He’s so bad, Frank tell us where the money went
    Simply unacceptable he can’t coach, theres no other way to go
    He’s so bad, Frank tell us where the money went
    Simply unacceptable he can’t coach, theres no other way to go
    .
    Simply unacceptable™ ©

  80. knouffbrock@frontiernet.net

    It would be a smart and very good thing to get serious and win this thing tonight. I was really hoping to clinch in Pittsburgh ’cause San Diego could put a mediocre little league team out there in Padres unis and they’d play us tough, too. I would really hate to let the Rockies back into this thing.

  81. redfox@q.com

    “The Dodgers are negotiating a long-term contract extension for general manager Ned Colletti, the Los Angeles Times reported, citing an unnamed ‘high-ranking club official.’ ”

    You’ve got to be kidding! Frank must have a lot more money that’s burning a hole in his pocket for Colletti to waste. Ned’s stupid signings have become legendary. Not only have they wasted huge amounts of money, but they have blocked the progress of, or traded off, minor league talent to the long-term detriment of the Dodgers.

    And which GM made the better decision last year when Manny Ramirez, Bobby Abreu, and Adam Dunn were all available. Ned chose to go with Manny for a mere $23, 854,494 salary and a ridiculous player option for 2010. For that, LA has so far gotten 62 RBIs and 19 HRs. Washington chose Adam Dunn for $8,000,000. For that, they got 103 RBIs and 38 HRs to date. The Angels signed Bobby Abreu for $5,000,000 and got 102 RBIs and 15 HRs to date for less than 21% of Manny’s salary.

    Yes, Frank, sign Ned quickly. There must be lots of other clubs anxious to scoop him up just like they were waiting in line to sign Andrew Jones and Manny Ramirez. After all, someone who is so skilled in getting the best value for your money is hard to find.

  82. messagebear@msn.com

    I think many of us on ITD would agree with your logic, redfox. The problem with it may very well lie with Frank himself. I suspect that it was Frank with his Boston memories who wanted Manny above all – why? For promotional purposes more than on-field performance. How does Dunnwood or Abreuwood sound by comparison? With Frank performance doesn’t matter – he probably can’t even recognize it; else why would he consider keeping Ned any longer than absolutely necessary. The troubling aspect with the Dodgers winning in the playoffs is that the fans deserve it, but the ownership DOES NOT.

  83. kpookiemon

    A bit unfair to criticize Ned on Manny. Last winter this whole town had its collective panties in a knot because Manny hadn’t been delivered yet. Who REALLY wanted Dunn or Abreu over Manny in real time…not in hindsight? No one knew (or maybe they did?!?!?!?!) that Man Ram was juicing, would get suspended, and return as a slug. Quite frankly, this club has not been the same since Manny returned, either because he shunned them during the suspension, or the team felt privately betrayed, or they miss the potent stick they were counting on…heck, maybe it’s all the above. But it certainly appears we have Manny for 2010 and it also certainly appears he is every bit a 37-year-old baseball player.

  84. crzblue2

    Carcyn,
    sorry I did not see your message. I was in 110 row 16 wearing my Dodger poncho.

    Ugh, disgusted that they did not do it las night. We are in 112 row 9 tonight but we are leaving right after the game as we both start work early on Thursday.
    .
    Let’s hope it happens tonight! We went for a walk a few hours after the game and as we turn the corner there was Ethier, baby and Maggie. Ethier was playing with the baby as they walked. Maggie’s face when she saw us Dodger fans was like “oh no” but we did not bother them. We are not that kind of fans. We respected the quality time they were having. Baby looked so cute.
    ,
    well we got to check out soon. Hotel was nice enough to give us a late checkout of 2.p.m. I recomend breakfast at the Yolk….Yolk Cafe i think is the name. Very good breakfast.
    Emma
    http://crzblue.mlblogs.com/

  85. may1940

    I am so nervous! And I hope it happens tonight!!! I’m going to go to church and light a votive candle for them!!! Did anyone see the story on Matt Kemp on the Dodger site today? I think that Doug Mienkewitz’s ( I think I spelled it wrong) comments regarding Matt being a better player than Andre Ethier were dispicable!!! Why would you do that? He is a bench player that hasn’t contributed a thing and he goes on and on like that! It takes an entire team effort to win. Matt and Andre are the heart and soul of that team! He did not have the right to make those comments!

  86. may1940

    I am so nervous! And I hope it happens tonight!!! I’m going to go to church and light a votive candle for them!!! Did anyone see the story on Matt Kemp on the Dodger site today? I think that Doug Mienkewitz’s ( I think I spelled it wrong) comments regarding Matt being a better player than Andre Ethier were dispicable!!! Why would you do that? He is a bench player that hasn’t contributed a thing and he goes on and on like that! It takes an entire team effort to win. Matt and Andre are the heart and soul of that team! He did not have the right to make those comments!

  87. may1940

    I am so nervous! And I hope it happens tonight!!! I’m going to go to church and light a votive candle for them!!! Did anyone see the story on Matt Kemp on the Dodger site today? I think that Doug Mienkewitz’s ( I think I spelled it wrong) comments regarding Matt being a better player than Andre Ethier were dispicable!!! Why would you do that? He is a bench player that hasn’t contributed a thing and he goes on and on like that! It takes an entire team effort to win. Matt and Andre are the heart and soul of that team! He did not have the right to make those comments!

  88. may1940

    I am so nervous! And I hope it happens tonight!!! I’m going to go to church and light a votive candle for them!!! Did anyone see the story on Matt Kemp on the Dodger site today? I think that Doug Mienkewitz’s ( I think I spelled it wrong) comments regarding Matt being a better player than Andre Ethier were dispicable!!! Why would you do that? He is a bench player that hasn’t contributed a thing and he goes on and on like that! It takes an entire team effort to win. Matt and Andre are the heart and soul of that team! He did not have the right to make those comments!

  89. shad80

    The Pirates kick our butt and getting shutout against the Cubs geez I like how thing work.

    By you_know_nothing on September 29, 2009 6:55 PM
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    hmmmmmmmmmm still funny how things work iut and now the Cubs got shutout by Charlie Morton .

  90. kpookiemon

    I certainly am no member of the clubhouse, where real personalities come out and play, but just season alone, I feel Ethier is the MVP, based on his sheer number of emotional, game-winning, season-changing hits. But I understand where Mientkiewicz is coming from. I believe he’s alluding to leadership. He deems Matt a leader. None of us can “feel” what a player feels or which player(s) the team “feels” actually stirs the pot. The Dodgers are lucky to have both Kemp and Ethier and hopefully, we’ll be treated to that tandem for the next decade.

  91. redfox@q.com

    messagebear, very good points, and I agree with you.

    kahliforni, good points also. Although I did object to resigning Manny last year and stated that it was very unlikely that Manny would perform at the same level again, I can understand Ned feeling some pressure to resign him. But with no other team interested in signing Manny, it was ridiculous to give him such a huge contract when other teams were able to sign Dunn and Abreu for a small fraction of what Ned gave Manny. And I doubt that any other GM in baseball would have given Manny a player only option for those huge dollars. That certainly warrants criticism. At the very least, it should have been a MUTUAL option.

    Ned has made way too many mistakes in his time as Dodger GM. At a time when most of us were clamoring to give Kemp and Ethier a chance, Ned was constantly blocking their chances with stupid signings and even trying to trade them. Kemp and Ethier have vindicated our evaluation of their potential this year and have indicted Ned and Joe for their lack of recognizing and properly developing their talent. And look at how Ned treated Ethier this year in salary negotiations. He pays Manny much, much more than he should have and then fights giving Ethier a small, well-deserved fraction of it.

    Yes, Ned has made a few good moves and deserves credit for them, but on the whole I view his time as GM in a negative light. Rather than credit him with the team’s success, I think that success is more in spite of him than because of him.

  92. kpookiemon

    redfox, I only defended Ned, re Manny. Otherwise, I agree with you for the most part. His ENTIRE body of work is less than stellar. Not terrible, but not stellar. His one BIG mistake, in hindsight, of course, was trading Edwin Jackson (and Tiffany) to Tampa Bay for Baez and Carter. That’s why a guy like McDonald is so frustrating…any young pitcher, for that matter. McDonald has obviously had a mediocre year out of the pen. Is he trade bait? Will he dominate five years from now…here or somewhere else? So far, Ned has been OK trading kids (but I suspect Logan White had more to do with THAT expertise than Ned). But as you allude to, it’s Ned’s PVL acquisitions that blocked young, everyday talent that rankles the most, along with Joe’s “grandpa” preferences for the elderly.

    Here’s a classic quote from 2006 and the Jackson trade:
    “By acquiring Danys Baez and Lance Carter from the Tampa Bay Devil Rays for Edwin Jackson and Chuck Tiffany on Saturday, General Manager Ned Colletti again made it clear he wants a championship team in 2006. ‘I can’t sit around and wait,’ he said. ‘I want the Dodgers to win now.'”

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