It’s coming down pretty hard outside so I’m guessing the first pitch will be delayed, if the game gets in at all. Most talk is that we’d play a day-night double header tomorrow if we don’t get this one in, but as I type this in the clubhouse, everyone is preparing to play at 3:55 as scheduled. I guess that’s how you have to do it to stay ready to go.

Speaking of rain (this is arguably my worst transition ever), tickets for the Madonna show at Dodger Stadium on Nov. 6 go on sale tomorrow. She once had a song called “Rain.” Anyway, she’ll join a long list of incredible musicians to play at Dodger Stadium as part of the “Sweet & Sticky Tour”…what else can I say? I figured maybe some of you are big fans, right?

Moving on…it was 31 years ago today that Joe Torre the player became Joe Torre the manager and in fact, he was both at the same time for a few weeks. He’s gone on to become the only person in big league history with 2,000 hits as a player and 2,000 wins as a manager, which is a truly impressive feat.

For the Dodger history buffs, that same day J.R. Richard threw a complete game against the Dodgers in a 5-2 Houston win.

As for today’s game, same lineup as yesterday, with Billingsley on the bump. 

Pierre, LF

Kemp, CF

Kent, 2B

Loney, 1B

Martin, C

Ethier, RF

DeWitt, 3B

Maza, SS

Billingsley, P


  1. oldbrooklynfan

    Well here’s hoping they play today because I’m leaving right now for Shea.
    If not I’ll see two tomorrow(if it don’t rain again).
    I’ll have to go to the first game, then come home, pickup my daughter and return for the night game.
    LET’S GO YA BUMS!!!!!!!

  2. swood@rcn.com

    If its any indication to those of you out west, I’m in Washington DC and its a monsoon here, so if its anything like this in New York we’re looking at a day night double header tomorrow. Does anybody know when Furcal will be back? We need him…

  3. swood@rcn.com

    I posted this on the last thread but I don’t think many people saw it:

    MLK, I saw your post from a couple of days ago about the universities. If I get into USC I will go there, 2nd choice would be Pepperdine and 3rd would be San Diego. Now as for the Dodgers, DFA Sweeney, bring up Rep from AAA, put him in center with Kemp in right and Ethier in left and bat Rep leadoff until Furcal gets back.

  4. jungar@wsgcorp.com

    The AL Homerun leaders and RBI leaders are both young players who were traded for last year and both make less than a million dollars each. Or you can buy 17 of em if you can find em for one Andruw Jones.

    Josh Hamilton and Carlos Quentin both have more 14 and 13 homeruns each and all 4 of our OF (Jones, Pierre, Kemp and Ethier) have 9 and Hamilton has 58 rbi and our entire OF combined has 70

    So these are moves that could have been made but weren’t and that’s just for starters. There are lots of examples on smaller scale.

    It gets my goat when I read articles blaming youth. I want to be clear that I a. realize the kids do make mistakes and b. don’t excuse them for them but it pisses me off that our GM lets this go public and that the press and the writers don’t say something like your leadoff guy in the last 23 games is getting on at .287 clip and has 1 extra base hit. And how your clean up man or 3 hole hitter has a .291 obp and 12 extra base hits for the year. 12. for the year. clean up.

    aaargh, its loney fault, barf, naaaaaah its Kemps….no ned its Billingsleys damnit…….ned says its laroaches fault and sweeeny says its kershaws fault and pierre says its DY fault and kent says its the trashcans fault and nomar says its mia and proctor and abreu fault and mccourt thinks its dewitts fault and jones dosnet care and jaimie mccourt also thinks its the trashcans fault and mccourts son drew thinks its broxtons fault along with martin dads saxaphone.

  5. swood@rcn.com

    Jungar we need to get rid of Pierre and Sweeney asap. I still have faith that Penny will come around as soon as he starts limiting the damage like he did in the first half of last season.

  6. lny4loney

    Good luck with your college applications!
    Just looke at weather.com. I don’t think there will be a game today. Tomorrow’s New York weather looks excellent.

  7. lny4loney

    How does a guy batting .093 have the cojones to speak critically of anybody? I’m talking, of course about Mark Sweeney in the Gurnick (?) article.

  8. saralovesrussell@losangeles-dodgers.net

    once i finished my undergrad, i stayed at USC to work full-time, and now their going to pay for my masters.. are you thinking of USC for grad school? or undergrad? just curious.. let me know if you have any questions! since i’ve been at USC since 2000, i’m pretty sure i could answer any questions you might have =)

  9. saralovesrussell@losangeles-dodgers.net

    did you guys see loney’s very coloful intro of our starting lineup? that was funny! nice to see some real personality from loney =)

  10. jhallwally

    Glad they’re playing. Sounded like it was going to be rained out. Good song last night Crash. The kids are alright. Wish/hope Ned feels that way and make some stupid move. Go Kids, Go Billz, Go Dodgers!!!

  11. saralovesrussell@losangeles-dodgers.net

    kemp should have definitely held at third with russell coming up..

  12. saralovesrussell@losangeles-dodgers.net

    yes, i know he was safe (but the ball beat him and that’s what umps use to help determine) and i wasn’t blaming kemp. i was just saying he should have stayed.. regardless of whether it was kemp’s decision or bowa’s..

  13. junkyardjamie

    good afternoon fellow bloggers,
    Here at school trying to get some work done – 3 more days left and tons of paper work to do, and I am in charge of our annual school-wide “Field Day” event.
    I see we had an interesting first inning. Kemp was out at home, and by your comments, he should have stayed at third.
    thanks for thinking about me and our program. We had parents going through tons of film, and a few are bringing us discs, so as soon as they bring them, I will be able to send pictures. I took pictures also, but they were pre-show, and they don’t show the full affect of the crowd we had. We had multi-generation family members there.
    eric, thanks to you too 🙂
    I wish the announcers would not act like we care that our DL vets (excluding Furcal, of course) are “blue” and not in the lineup.
    Also, I had a chance to read the fox article that was talked about yesterday. Between all the songs and friendly banter, I didn’t realize the conversation between Andre and Torre was a real one. When I read it last night, my first thought was, you guys weren’t joking around. I don’t know who to be angry with, Joe for asking him the questions, or the journalist who published it. For all that Andre has been through these past three years, and now, especially this year, I can totally see why he answered the questions the way he did. Andre is a player who is trying to prove to Torre/Ned that he belongs out there (vs. Pierre/Jones), and I would think that being out there everyday is his personal goal right now (to get my hits so I can stay in the lineup). I am not saying he doesn’t care about the team winning (of course, he does), but if Torre had asked Loney or Martin the same questions, they may have responded the way Torre wanted because they are not currently fighting for a position. Sorry for the long post, but it makes me mad when they pick on the young players like that.

  14. alex41592

    Kemp was safe at home and he should have gone home. Ump blew the call as Schneider missed the tag.

  15. jhallwally

    Hey Nelly. Heck of a comeback win last night, eh. That article was/is BS. Stuff like that is better kept internal. It is total crap that they don’t mention the crummy performances by the PVL’s. And the fact that they talk like we need Nomore and Jones to hurry back from the DL before we will be any good is a freaking joke. We’re better off with them on the DL. I hope they never come off it. Matter of fact, I wish Phew and Kent would join them.

  16. lbirken@aol.com

    I just read the Fox article and I am not sure what to make of it. Ken Rosenthal is a respected writer so I have to assume he pretty much wrote what was said. However, it is hard for me to believe that the younger players don’t know who Joe Torre is or what he has done. You don’t think they were curious as soon as Torre’s signing was announced? I know I would have been looking for all sorts of information if I were a member of the team trying to find out what makes him tick. We all know these younger players have not learned how to win yet but I was kind of hoping Torre and Bowa could lead them and it would be nice if the veterans had the right personalities to lead as well.

  17. jhallwally

    Our PVL’s (Kent, Phew, Nomore, etc…) only care about their playing time and where they bat in the order. They are not leaders or mentors. They’re bums in my opinion.

  18. junkyardjamie

    lbirken – that’s what’s missing is leadership from the vets/management. The vets aren’t even setting examples right now (out on the field or in the clubhouse), much less being leaders. Like many of us have said, if you are going to bring up the problems with the young boys, then make it fair and talk about how the vets suck right now, too (they are losing games for us also, and they are making errors and their averages are not exactly up to par – some not even close).
    Boy the media loves Pierre just way to much for my taste – ick!!!!!!
    BTW – I hope PierreEW is having fun at the game 🙂

  19. junkyardjamie

    Then again, maybe all this great media attention Pierre is getting might just be what we need to get him traded – there’s always wishful thinking, I suppose – lol!

  20. jhallwally

    God, I hope so Nelly. That thought brightens my day a little. Thanks. Imagine there’s no Phew!! It’s pleasant if you do. LOL

  21. junkyardjamie

    BTW – one of the best parts about last night (besides the Dodgers win) was I could be a true Dodger fans and cheer for the gnats to lose (which they did), and the Dbacks loss was sweet!!
    Now – let’s win this one!!! Go Dodgers!!

  22. junkyardjamie

    It would be nice to have announcers that are on our side for a change – why do we always get screwed in that department (I can use more colorful language on the weekends – no kids looking over my shoulder – lol). The gnat announcers are more unbiased than these two and I have to listen to them everyday.

  23. lbirken@aol.com

    I will admit to being a Jeff Kent and Nomar fan but I am also realistic in that it is clear their skills have declined. But I have a question: when does a “young” player become a “veteran”?

  24. jhallwally

    Most people consider 27/28-32/33 to be a players prime years. I would guess that after a player has over 3 years of service time they would/should be considered a vet. I consider Martin a young’un right now and after this season I would consider him a young vet. Same with Ethier. Kemp, Billz, and Loney should be considered vets after next season in my opinion. Good part is, we will be loaded with young veterans in a couple of years instead of old veterans. Big difference.

  25. lbirken@aol.com

    Bills is finding a way out of trouble today. Come on guys, get him some runs! For those of you watching on TV, how does Bills look to you?

  26. junkyardjamie

    Question to those of you that have (or had) kids that play ball:
    We live in a small city (large town) in the central valley in California, and there isn’t any places for kids to go for batting practice or pitching instruction other than a few batting cages (with limited access). My husband and my son’s pitching coach really think we need a facility that would provide batting/pitching instruction to our community of future ball players. We were at a great one two weekends ago in Palm Springs, but we were wondering what you have experienced in terms of these facilities like this. The one we went to in Palm Springs had batting cages, pitching mounds and both could utilize machines or “live” pitching/batting. They designed it like a club where you paid monthly, but allowed for guests. We live near the closed down Castle Air Force Base, and there are many buildings (and even fields) that can be renovated for this purpose.
    My husband blogs on a site which consists of cen-cal coaches/parents, etc., but since this group is from everywhere, he wanted me to ask for your expertise and/or input.

  27. messagebear@msn.com

    That Chavez was one tough out. Way to go, Bills!!!
    that’s got to be one of the best, gutsy games that I’ve seen Bills throw. Now our 8th and 9th inning guys need to preserve this victory.

  28. jhallwally

    Sounds like a great endeavor Nelly. Wish I could help but I don’t know anything about it. Good Luck.

  29. junkyardjamie

    Wow! the announcers finally said something positive about our club – Brox is doing an outstanding job!!

  30. jhallwally

    I’m blacked out on MLBTV so listening on KABC. Steiner isn’t great but much better than freaking Met announcers.

  31. junkyardjamie

    Brox is not on today!!!! Damn!!
    This is not good!!!
    Bills worked too hard to have it end like this, but like it has been, it will get blamed on our young boys and not getting enough runs.
    Come on PierreEW – let them know you’re there!!!!!!!!
    gnats losing – that’s good – thanks, jhall 🙂

  32. messagebear@msn.com

    Well, that’s really a shame. Another Brox meltdown. I’m beginning to think that he suffers from the same overly fat pitcher syndrome like Penny and Brazobelly. Maybe we can teach Andruw to pitch as well.

  33. jhallwally


  34. junkyardjamie

    Please, Joe, don’t blame the kids for this one!!! Sorry to say, Joe, but this one’s on Brox!!
    go ahead a say it jhall!!!

  35. jhallwally

    Well, that’s just a rotten shame. Crap!! Go Nationals, whip the Snacks. Rockies and G’nats lost.

  36. jhallwally

    More unfortunate than unacceptable. But it is Un-Freaking-Acceptable.™. That’s two games on this road trip we’ve given away. Sad.

  37. boblee14@yahoo.com

    The Dodgers need to understand that it’s not how long you lead in the game, but who leads at the end of 9 innings. This was totally unacceptable. WE suck at trying to hold a lead, but billy wagner can strike out 3 of our better hitters but Broxton’s 97/98 mph fastball was worthless.

    I’m getting sick of these useless losses. No way we should have lost this game.

  38. junkyardjamie

    Your right jhall, it is more unfortunate – Brox just didn’t have it today, and he knew when the homerun was hit.
    Also, jhall, as for my husband’s vision – he has had this in his head since my son became a real pitcher (my son is a freshman version of Kershaw – a lefty with a nasty curve ball, plus 3 other pitches already, and this isn’t just a proud mom talking – he really does have the stuff), and on top of that, he wants to continue my father-in-law’s (and my father’s) vision of getting as many young boys involved in baseball, and now because of technology, there’s ways of doing things in the off season when going outside isn’t an option. He needs to do it, and I want him to do it, but he’s worried about the economy like who isn’t.
    I hope PierreEW still had a good time :). I’m sure he will let us know.

  39. jhallwally

    Hey Nelly. It is a great vision. Go for it if it proves logistically and economically feasible. Your son sounds awesome. Get the Dodger scouts on the blower and give them a heads up. You’ll have to call your baseball emporium “Nelly’s”. LOL I can see the name as a neon sign in Dodger blue script slanted upwards with the red ball going thru it. Too Cool….

  40. jhallwally

    Yep too bad for PierreEW. He probably still had a pretty good time. At least for 7 innings. He is also going tomorrow.

  41. shad78@yahoo.com

    Could we had Kuo pitches the 8 and 9th at least we know the Mets would’ve had a loss there?

  42. redfox@q.com

    Yes, Brox had another meltdown, but I think Torre is overusing him. Look how many games he has been in lately. Torre seems to have a problem with how he overuses some relief pitchers. He did that to Proctor last year in New York. He also stubbornly refuses to use Young. I don’t know why. Young could play LF (or 2B when Kent is out) and provide a needed bat in this scoring drought. But no, Torre knows best. So chalk up another loss to Joe for his arrogant and ill-conceived player decisions. With better management, this team could be in First Place right now! Don’t blame the kids. The blame rests solely with Ned and Joe.

  43. junkyardjamie

    LOL!!! Jhall – remember, I live with gnat fans – the blue will not go over too well, especially Dodger blue (LOL!!), and the other guy is a Braves fan (blue maybe, but not Dodger blue). Honestly, they are planning on calling it “Bombers” because it would be at a closed down air force base, which already has many things happening on it since its closure. Plus, Nelly’s has already been taken. My father in-law has a baseball field named after him at the junior high he used coach/work at. We will probably have to compromise on the colors because there is no way in hell I will allow orange and black either lol!!!

  44. jhallwally

    LOL!! Remember, he is Nellie and your Nelly. But I can see what your saying. “Bombers” at an old airforce base is too cool. You’ll have “The Strategic Baseball Command”. Guaranteed to get the first strike. Anywhere in the world.

  45. jhallwally

    Go a shade of blue between Dodger and Brave blue. And red. No orange. Maybe a accent of black in there. Black and red is really nice also. Like the Atlanta Falcons uniforms. They s*ck, but their uni’s were cool. LOL

  46. shad78@yahoo.com

    Don’t blame Torre for this loss our offense get this loss with Broxton melt down. Torre is not overusing Broxton so stop it with that excuses.

  47. prepress@affordableoffset.com

    i knew it wouldn’t be long before some folks start bustin’ on Broxton’s weight. how about his pitch selection/location. is any of this martin/honeycutt/torre’s fault. the kid can almost throw 100 mph but he now seems timid and tentative…maybe he is tipping his pitches.

    and why not pull him when he gave up the tying run?!? a losss in May is just as important as Sept?

  48. junkyardjamie

    jhall, love the lines! – Those would look great painted inside the walls with some cool art to go with it. See, you did come up with ideas – thanks!! Realistically, the colors should be a combination of red, white and blue for the same reason they are calling it “Bombers” (United States air force base). 🙂

  49. swood@rcn.com

    What a frustrating game. Brox needs to be taken out of the setup role until he can string together a couple of good outings because he’s killing us right now. Great performance by Billzz, but again our offense left us no margin for error even against a mediocre pitcher. I don’t know about you guys but this team is frustrating the hell out of me.

  50. swood@rcn.com

    BTW Nelly, I saw your comment from the last thread and I am not a teacher, I’m a student.

  51. swood@rcn.com

    saralovesrussell and MLK- I am talking about undergrad and I would love to go to USC but I doubt I will be able to get in because my GPA is not up to their standards. Too many nights staying up until 1 AM watching the D’s play. =) I think there is a much better chance I will go to either Pepperdine or University of San Diego, or even Arizona State(close to the new ST complex?).

  52. swood@rcn.com

    I agree Shad that Torre is not overusing Brox, Brox simply isn’t performing. His slider to Beltran even though it was in off the plate didn’t have much movement, and the pitch to Tatis was right in the heart of the plate.

  53. junkyardjamie

    good luck with finals!!
    Pepperdine is beautiful, and I have heard great things about University of San Diego (the private one, right?). UC San Diego is also great. My brother in-law graduated from USC (back in the late 80’s), and it’s still one of my favorites. However, Arizona State wouldn’t be bad. You would be in good company – Andre’s an alumni, and he was very impressive ball player there as well (his wife, Maggie, coaches gymnastics there, too). Plus, all these schools have great collegiate baseball teams (Pepperdine and ASU are both in the finals for the regionals and ASU will probably go to the NCAA world series).
    I don’t think you can go wrong with any of those choices.

  54. jhallwally

    Yeah Nelly, good old red, white, and blue. Can’t go wrong there. Have to look up some good old WWII bomber nose art and names/sayings they put with them. Use the picture and put a baseball uniform on them with a bat or glove. There were some really neat ones. You can probably just type it in your search window and get a whole bunch of them. Wow, are you going to have fun.

  55. junkyardjamie

    My husband loves the idea “The Strategic Baseball Command”, etc. I told him he would have to trademark them – lol!! Serious, if it gets used somehow – you will get the credit.

  56. junkyardjamie

    There is an air museum on site (they actually have one of the stealth bombers there, very cool) – I’m sure they have plenty of photos – thanks!!
    Are you a graphic artist? – you talk like one; that’s what my brother does down in Palm Springs. My dad is the real artist – He can paint anything on a wall and make it look real.

  57. jhallwally

    No I’m not. I can draw fairly well and enjoy music (haha) and art. If your father can paint, you’ve got it made. The possibilities are unlimited.

  58. rurika_adachi@hotmail.com

    Just one question, is Torre going to use Kuo again before this series is over?

    And offense-wise, I understand Torre’s need to give every player chances to prove themselves, but sometimes the best thing to do is to sit them out for a while. Use common sense and do what it takes to win the games.

  59. junkyardjamie

    Upton and Jackson just hit back to back home runs – dbacks winning 3-0 – yuck!!! However, Jackson and Upton are on my fantasy team so I just got a few points. I had Upton on the bench because my original outfield was Ethier, Jones and Kemp. Even I knew to bench Jones after the first week lol!

  60. jhallwally

    LOL. Yep, makes sense to sit Jelly Roll. Griffey got #599. Brandon Webb pitching. Doesn’t look good for the Nats.

  61. junkyardjamie

    dbacks just got another homerun (young) – all runs have been solo home runs – haven’t had a base runner yet. I guess that’s a way to not have to worry about RISP – just hit all homeruns – lol! Oh, I forgot – Andre’s (and the rest of the young boys) are not allowed to think about hitting homeruns, but I bet Justin Upton thinks about it all the time.

  62. junkyardjamie

    sorry, misinformation – reynolds (not jackson) had 2 homeruns, but he is also on my fantasy team – Dodger’s didn’t have a 3rd basemen when I drafted so I went with reynolds and adkins.

  63. dodger 32

    Broxton Blew it, Sammy blew it, they don’t hit. What’s the difference, right now this team is not very good. Torre is no different from a lot of managers, he’s not worth 4 mil either.

  64. junkyardjamie

    Watching ESPN baseball highlights does make me feel a little better. Even though we lost, we are still 2nd in our division (looking down on the gnats), and it could be worse – we could be Detroit fans, Rox fans, KC fans, Seattle fans and even Yankee fans. Considering how we have been playing
    , we should be thankful we are not in the position any of those teams are in – the Dodgers can still see the light at the top of the west division. It’s got to be a better view then where the rox are sitting right now. With that being said, I am signing off for the night. I have been at work this whole time doing 1400 ribbons for field day on Tuesday, and that is just the beginning of the countless other things I have to do before then.
    Have a great evening, and jhall, thanks for the conversation – the time went much faster and I still got everything done here I came to do. Your ideas were great, and if this really happens, those ideas will be used. 🙂
    PierreEW – I hope you had fun at the game even though the result wasn’t probably what you were expecting (I’m sure none of us did – I thought the game was done when Brox came in), but you are the eternal optimist, and you will always make us see the positive in everything that happens – growing pains 🙂
    Dodger Blue forever!!!
    Play the kids!! (Joe, we really want to see DY – let Pierre have a day off – he’s earned it)

  65. redfox@q.com

    shad78, that’s fine if you want to defend Torre, but he’s the one that makes up the lineups and decides on the pitching changes. Despite offensive problems, Torre refuses to play Young to generate more offense. Brox pitched on Sunday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, and now Saturday. That’s five out of seven days. During that stretch he has 3 blown saves. With that recent track record, it was foolish to leave him in the game when he got in trouble. So in my book, Torre deserves the blame.

  66. redfox@q.com

    More on overusing Brox, his ERA when he’s pitching with no days’ rest is 5.87, compared to 1.59 with one day rest.

  67. kpookiemon

    The Dodgers final 18 batters were retired in a row. That speaks of impatience. Even if they can’t hit their way out of a paper bag right now you’d figure they could sprinkle a walk somewhere!!?!?! Every day DeWitt plays solid ball. Bat him in the two hole with Kemp three. Kemp flourished there during the eight game streak. Don’t know why Joe has to tinker endlessly. I dare him to try a set line-up for one solid week.
    RLRLRLRL…there, just how Joe likes it.

  68. lny4loney

    Many of us have been saying ever since Furcal went down that Martin should be leading off. I wonder what our record in the last three weeks would have been if the leadoff spot had 100 more points?
    Truth be told, I pretty much knew we were screwed when with Ethier and DeWitt on in the 4th, the next three batters were Maza, Billz, and Juanpy.
    After a nice little start, Maza has shown why he has spent eight years in the minors. His average is now down to .257. I admire the guy’s diligence, and heck it’s starting to pay off — he’s earned … what? … $50,000 for the last three weeks. More power to him. But the reality is he has no serious major league future.
    Let Hu play. Or maybe give the DeJesus kid a shot?
    Please, oh please, you vet-lovin’ GM, don’t trade away good pieces for a very short-term need at shortstop or the middle infield. At short, we can get by with Hu — Hu isn’t hitting great but sure does field nicely. Hu’ll be alright. And at second, you have at least three good options to spell old man Kent — Delwyn, Andy, and Blake.

  69. kpookiemon

    dodgereric…speaking of LaRoche, DeWitt played 2B for a season…here’s a guy who’ll win the batting crown someday…but he’s muffed more than a few key plays at third. You hope Ned will wise up (sorry Ned) and get both these kids in the line-up, with maybe DeWitt at second. With the Dodgers committed to youth, they might as well jump in and be done with it. Let Kent chase his ring in the American League. Sweeney, Nomar, Jones (take a good, long time healing up, bud) are asked to kindly step aside. Pierre? He’s the albatross…or the fly in the youth movement, anyway. He stays but subs. But promote Repko and let him play center.

  70. messagebear@msn.com

    Reading where Colletti is working hard to get us a veteran utility infielder. Use your imaginations of what he’ll come up with. Will DY be the trading bait, or will Colletti go even higher to come up with that “solution”? In the meantime, DeWitt can take grounders at second and LaRoche can try second base at AAA, but management won’t have the guts to really try that solution on the field. I only hope that Colletti is GONE at the end of the season – it would be so great if he was GONE earlier than that.

    On a separate note, and I’m a fan of Brox in the long run, Brox is not performing in the 8th inning relief role. Beimel has much better stats, and it’s not solely against lefties. It might be worth turning the 8th inning role over to him for a few games to see what happens.

  71. junkyardjamie

    We are begging you, please don’t sign any utility veterans. There is plenty of talent right in front of your eyes. We are, for the most part, patient fans, and we want the young talent to play and develop. We are willing to wait out the growing pains, and no, that doesn’t mean we are giving up on this season. We think if you stay with the young talent now, we have a great chance to be at the top of our division. The veterans have had 1/3 of a season to show us that they can be the leaders that they are supposed to be to our young players, and they have come up short. So, it’s time to let the kids play and get the job done. I don’t think you will regret it – trust the fans – play the kids!!!!!!!!!!!
    A Loyal Dodger Fan – (who happens to live in Giants country)

  72. lny4loney

    Coming soon: A takeoff on “Brown Bear, Brown Bear”
    We are patient fans, but we probably don’t even need to be right now. If JoJo had been playing nothing but youngsters — and I’ll even go as far as to say with DY as the regular second baseman over Kant, we ALREADY WOULD BE AT THE TOP OF OUR DIVISION!
    Russell Martin for leadoff!
    See y’all later. Going to church.

  73. junkyardjamie

    So true MLK about the young players. We’ve been saying play the kids all along. Hopefully someone will listen and start to play them before it’s too late.
    LOL!! great minds think alike
    I was trying to do a song to “she’ll be comin’ around the mountain” and “Yankee Doodle” – too funny!!
    Can’t wait to see your version of Brown Bear!!!
    And as you mentioned church – I attend a church that does very contemporary christian music (some rock even), so these last few weekends, I have tried to twist some of those lyrics around, in a positive light, of course.
    I am also trying to get some of my own kids’ music in the mix (mild hip hop for me). This is just too crazy (but too fun) that I will never listen to a song the same way again.

  74. jhallwally

    LOL Nelly. It’s a gift, a curse, or probably a combination of both. HaHa. I wish they would just go with the kids and unload the vets as they are pretty much washed up. Arizona did it, look at the Marlins and Rays. Braves have even done it. Cleveland to some extent. It takes some patience as there will be growing pains as we call them but we are not going anywhere with the Nomore’s, Kant’s, Phew’s, and Schidt’s. We can either be watching the kids play and grow or watch the vets in decline. I would rather suffer the losses watching the kids grow than watch the team lose watching old players that just can’t get it done anymore. Losing with the young’uns because of inexperienced mistakes is much easier than losing with washed up vets because they just don’t have it. At least with the kids, you’ve got a future. The vets aren’t going to be around in a year or two thank god. They do not figure into the future of this team. Play the kids for our futures sake.

  75. junkyardjamie

    lol! jhall – No kidding!! right now I am listening to our local oldies station, and they are doing Breakfast with the Beatles, and I all I keep doing is trying twist the lyrics around.
    PLAY THE KIDS NED!!! No trades unless it’s a PVL – I guess I am assuming he knows what a PVL is by now – lol!
    seriously – does Josh tell him these things?

  76. messagebear@msn.com

    I’m looking at the Rosenthal article and wondering how it is that Sweeney rates any kind of a quote about what is going on. The only legitimate quote I’d like to see from him is an answer to the question like “do you think about hanging it up considering how your season is going, now that it’s almost a third over?”

  77. junkyardjamie

    Lol! messagebear – maybe josh will forward that question to Sweeney – I am sure we would all like to know that answer.
    Have fun watching the game today, everybody. My sister is getting married today at 3pm (PST), so I may be able to catch a little bit here and there via phone. Believe me, with this wedding, I’d rather be watching the game, unfortunately, and that’s not just because of my slight (okay -very big!) addictiveness to watching the Dodgers, but the fact that this wedding is all wrong – sad, but I am the older sister who supports decisions regardless of how stupid they are (she’s ten years younger than me, and this is her 2nd marriage already)

  78. alex41592

    I have to crazy feeling Torre is going to over react to Santana pitching tonight and bench DeWitt and or/Loney and or/Ethier.

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