Another historical entry from Mark Langill

This weekend’s World Baseball Classic with teams from the United States, Venezuela, Japan and Korea highlight the international ties to Dodger Stadium.

When the ballpark was built in 1962, the dean of Japanese sportswriters, Sotaro Suzuki, was invited by the Dodgers to the dedication ceremonies on April 9 and the first game the following afternoon against the Cincinnati Reds. Suzuki returned to Japan and commissioned a stone lantern to mark the opening of Dodger Stadium.

During his career, Suzuki played a major role in the Dodgers’ relationship with Japan, often serving as a liaison when the Dodgers traveled overseas. The Brooklyn Dodgers toured Japan following the 1956 season and returned 10 years later as the Los Angeles Dodgers. The Tokyo Giants sent three players to the Dodgers’ spring training in 1957, with Suzuki serving as an interpreter, and the entire Giants team trained in Florida in 1961, 1967, 1971, 1975 and 1981.

The stone lantern from Suzuki was shipped to Dodger Stadium in the winter of 1965. The 10-foot tall, 3,921-pound stone lantern was built by the Shimizugumi Stone Works Company. The lantern was the centerpiece for a Japanese garden in the 1960s and 1970s that was maintained by local gardeners and contained two cherry blossom trees, river-rock paths and pine trees cut Japanese style.

The lantern was placed on a hill adjacent to Parking Lot 37, which later was re-named Parking Lot 6 beyond the Right Field Pavilion.


Picture 362.jpgAlongside the Japanese stone lantern is a bronze plaque from Korean American Community Night at Dodger Stadium on Aug. 20, 2003, commemorating the 100th anniversary of the Korean Immigration to America.

The most famous Dodgers from Japan and Korea are both pitchers. Chan Ho Park in 1994 became the first native of South Korean to appear in a Major League game. In 1995, Hideo Nomo became the first Japanese professional player to appear in the Majors in 30 years.

The all-time Dodger roster features many players from Venezuela, including Vic Davalillo, Carlos Hernandez, Omar Daal, Roger Cedeno, Giovanni Carrara, Cesar Izturis, Dioner Navarro and Luis Maza.



  1. dodgereric

    These historical posts are pretty interesting, Mark. Keep them coming. I thought I knew a lot about Dodger history, but you are continuing to show me that I have a lot to learn.

  2. nellyjune

    From previous post, just posted……..

    Dodgereric – I just read the article about the Dodgers finally realizing they need pitching. Couldn’t they have just read what ITD had been saying all along. We even gave them suggestions on who to go after, but noooo………had to go the cheap pvl route. Well, they got what they paid for I guess, with a very few exceptions.
    By nellyjune on March 20, 2009 12:28 PM

    Okay – now I will read Mark’s entry 🙂

  3. nellyjune

    Okay – so maybe you don’t know everything about Dodger Baseball, but you are pretty darn close, and you know it!!!

  4. crzblue2

    Mark, I love hearing Dodger history! Thanks!
    For those that might not know, Mark Langill has written several books.
    DC. i just included your mom in a prayer.

  5. dodgereric

    Slow day leads to things like this:

    Ripping off Toby Keith’s “I Love This Bar”

    We got winners, we got losers
    We’ve had steroid abusers
    We’ve got hitting, need some pitching
    Where can I do some bitching?
    ‘Cause our owners and GM are in a fog

    Hmm, hmm, hmm I love this blog

    We got jhall, and messagebear
    Seeskybout2rain and joepierre
    And we got dnelly, diggie and trublu
    MLK and peru
    Northstateblues will tell you ‘bout his favorite grogg

    Hmm, hmm, hmm I love this blog

    I love this blog
    It’s my kind of place
    Just talkin’ ‘bout the Dodgers
    Puts a big smile on my face
    Clear skies or smog, LA or Prague
    Hmm, hmm, hmm I love this blog

    I’ve read Boblee, Msrussyethier
    Scott_in_arcadia and jungar
    And we got alex, emma and amy
    Bluecrewgirl, Max_power and Kahliforni
    Enchanted finds new ways to rhyme Andruw with a hog

    Hmm, hmm, hmm I love this blog
    Yes I do

    I like leekfink (I like leekfink)
    Crash and dc (Crash and dc)
    I like to hear from ol’ sara
    I miss bigkace and rodmky

    But I love this blog
    It’s my kind of place
    Just talkin’ ‘bout the Dodgers
    Puts a big smile on my face
    Clear skies or smog, LA or Prague
    Hmm, hmm, hmm I love this blog
    Hmm, hmm, hmm I love this blog

    We got Scurtis and Lbirken
    Thought bubbles from Obi_wen
    Kpookiemon and knouffbrock
    Heartruss and Cpompe and Redfox

    If you get too down D4 will drain the bog
    Hmm, hmm, hmm I love this blog
    Play it on out boys
    Beer-thirty’s over
    Got to take it on home

    Hmm, hmm, hmm I love this blog
    I just love it

  6. nellyjune

    I am assuming the Sheriff is really, really out of town today 🙂

    “THAT” is an awesome song Dodgereric!!! …..and no youtube necessary. I know the song well 🙂

  7. cpompe1

    Good afternoon ITD boys and girls!
    Josh – That was a great piece about the Japanese art! I love this blog!!!

    Hmmm, where did I hear those exact same words??? Oh yeah, Eric! Eric that was a WONDERFUL song! I’ve been thinking of doing a song just like that, but I never could get the right feel for the original song to parody. This Toby Keith song is just perfect! And I’m glad that you put the You tube link. I certainly know Toby Keith, but don’t know the song. I guess I’m not THAT much into cowboy songs! But that was great!

    So Emma, we’re going to be sitting near each other on Saturday! Now that I know what you look like (from your pics from your blog), I’ll DEFINITELY be looking out for you! I can’t wait! Like I said before, I think my nephew got tickets for the top deck, row A, right behind the plate!

  8. cpompe1

    Oh, and NOW the Dodgers realize that their pitching could be their weak link. I loved what I saw on MLBN from Kersh’s game yesterday, and I REALLY think Kersh is going to give us pitching like we’ve never seen before, but I still think we need a quality 5th starter. Ned – Sign Pedro!!!


    I liked Kershaw the first time I saw him pitch in person last season. He looked confident and acted as if he belonged. I suspect he might frustrate us at times just as Bills did but both these guys have huge upsides. Kuroda has some potential but after that, we have a mystery in Wolf and then a hole. We don’t know for sure if Broxton can be the lights out closer we all want him to be but we will find out soon enough but one thing is sure is that the bullpen will get a lot of work.

  10. cpompe1

    Hey lbirken! I hear ya. But if there is ONLY ONE thing that encourages me (and believe me, there are much more than just one thing that encourages me about Kersh) is that it seems that he is gaining command on his change-ups! Yes, I know he’s young and yes, he’ll frustrate us just like Billz did, but I am just so excited to see both of them mature. I think Wolf will do well as will Kuroda-san. But you’re right; right now, we have no 5th starter and that scares the heck out of me right now. No, we don’t know for sure if Broxton will be the lights out closer we need, but he’s young enough that I’m not going to give up on him yet.

  11. cpompe1

    Well, I’ve got stuff to do lbirken. A short, sweet convo about one of my faves, but that’s okay! I’ll catch up with ya later…


    Most teams have issues with the back end of the rotation and it is clear the Dodgers are gambling that a lower paid pitcher will work out as well (or as bad depending on your point of view) as a higher paid name veteran. Remeber, the Dodgers did not really want Kershaw in the starting rotation so early last season but circumstances demanded he be given the opportunity. Will McDonald get that same opportunity this season?

  13. nellyjune

    Eric…… should be so lucky 🙂 There’s rumors that our sheriff may be on the move to another school and not necessarily by choice. I am not sure if that is good or bad, and I think alot of that depends on who we would get instead.

    Hey lbirken and CP!!! It’s good to see you both.


    I still try to keep up with the blog every day but have not had time to post much lately. This is an interesting time of year with spring training, the WBC and NCAA playoffs.

  15. trublu4ever

    Great job, Dodgereric! ITD songwriters never disappoint. Every song gets better than the one before it.

  16. sparkleplenty_1

    Dodgereric, thank you for mentioning me in your latest, greatest song. Makes one feel very special 🙂

  17. crzblue2

    Thank you so much Dodgereric!! Woohoo! I made it into one of the songs! I feel so special!
    cpompe! Looking forward to meeting you! I am meeting with a couple of friends for breakfast near the stadium, but is too early so I’ll go back home and come back early.
    Oh, got to go take train…

  18. sparkleplenty_1

    With all the concern about our pitching, especially the bull pen, I was “inspired” to write another ditty. Jumping into the deep end once again . . . .
    Uno, dos, one, two, tres, quatro
    Jojo told ol’ Neddy about some holes he saw.
    “Need some big league pitchers, righty and south paw
    Or else we’ll have a wooly bully, wooly bully.
    Wooly bully, wooly bully, wooly bully.”
    Ol’ Neddy told Jojo, “Let’s don’t take no chance.
    I’ll sign some used up pitchers and then go to France.
    Maybe we won’t have a wooly bully, wooly bully
    Wooly bully, wooly bully, wooly bully.”
    Jojo told ol’ Neddy, “That’s not the thing to do.
    Gotta get some better throwers or we’re in a stew.
    ‘Cause we’ve really got a wooly bully, wooly bully.
    Wooly bully, wooly bully, wooly bully.”

  19. colliethec

    Good evening everybody.
    Thanks for the prayers and well wishes.
    I just got back from the hospital & dropping my Mom off at home.
    She is okay. She has a slight case of pneumonia as well as an internal infection. She is 82 and still works full time but this has hit her hard.
    Eric that was a great song. Thanks for personalizing it for us!! That’s fun!! I love this blog as well. Not because it’s a Dodger blog but because so many that take part in it. It really makes it a special blog!!!
    Thanks again for the birthday wishes. We had a great day yesterday. We went to lunch at a Brazillian Gauch resturant in the city and it was great.
    On to baseball…
    Wouldn’t it be nice to have Luke Hochevar in our rotation as the 5th starter? Oh well!!

  20. sparkleplenty_1

    So happy to hear your mom’s ok, DC. Thanks for the good news. Just make sure she takes care of herself – or has someone who will keep a close eye on her.

  21. trublu4ever

    I’m so glad to hear your Mom is okay, Dcollins. It’s kind of wonderful here, on ITD, because we feel like we are a family.

  22. nellyjune

    Good Evening ITD readers and writers!!!!

    Awesome song Diggie!!

    dcollins – that’s good to hear your mom is home 🙂

    Great start to the game!! GO DODGERS!!!

  23. colliethec

    So I’ve been less than enthusastic about our ptiching.
    Truth be said I think we are going to have some long AL type games this year, espicially on the road.
    That being said we might do better than most of us think. We have some unknowns but maybe some of these will end up on the good side & not the bad.
    In addition, we have what most of us wanted for the last couple of years. We got young and the kids are now playing. We still have some good players in the minors as well.
    I like that we are working on rebuilding from within as well, by building up the minor leagues. I really think that the future is bright and we can hopefully be celebrating a Championship in the next few years.
    Maybe evn this year!
    Go Blue!!
    Bring the Ring to LA in 2009!!!

  24. jhallwally

    Hello my ITD friends and family!!! Its a wonderful night for baseball. Outstanding songs Diggie and Dad/Chevelle!!!! Thanks for the mention in your song Dad. Hope everyone had a great day. GO DODGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  25. Dodger4life

    Good evening all
    dcollins I’m happy to hear mom is at home and feeling better. I will keep her in my prayers…
    Eric and diggie nice job on the songs.
    clap, clap] [clap, clap,clap
    clap, clap] [clap, clap,clap
    clap, clap] [clap, clap,clap…
    GO DODGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    BRING THE RING TO L.A. IN 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  26. colliethec

    Wally — great to see you my friend!
    I keep seeing you on here but you’re always gone by the time I’m here.
    How is life?
    Hello there Joe. Nice to see you here. I agree… it does look great seeing them on my 42″ TV instead of my 20″ computer! That and the couch is way more comfortable than my desk chair!!
    Also Joe they will be reviewing the Dodgers after the game in their 30 & 30.
    Vargas is looking good so far after 2. 1 broken bat single, a walk and he just struck out the side in the 2nd.

  27. jhallwally

    Enchanted finds new ways to rhyme Andruw with a hog.

    LMTO Dad!!!!! I saw where Andruw the cow isn’t going to make the Rangers major league roster. LOL!!! What a piece of work. I think Beav was on to something when he suggested that the cow went dry without the steroid juice.

  28. trublu4ever

    The ESPN insider says that the White Sox need a lead-off hitter but have no interst in YouGnomeWho because the GM and owner don’t like him and his salary is too high….no s&%&!

  29. trublu4ever

    Can, you imagine that somebody doesn’t like him?! And, some people thought we were cruel here! See, we Dodgers fans are pretty smart.

  30. oldbrooklynfan

    It was sad to here of the passing of Whitey Lockman today.
    although one of the”enemy” will be missed.
    My condolenses

  31. nellyjune

    Okay – that’s two long fly balls to opposite field ….one of them is bound to go over soon 🙂 Great catch by De Jesus!!

  32. enchantedbeaver

    Hey Dad and Diggie – great songs!!
    Missed the earlier convo, but glad your mom’s doing OK DC.

    Wally two nights in a row… geez, they’ll let anybody on here! 😉

    Hows y’alls doin?

  33. colliethec

    Those that aren’t able to watch teh Dodgers are up after 4 & 1/2 3-1. Vargas did pretty well.
    Now Milton is in.

  34. nellyjune

    Good Evening enchanted!!!! Well……….they do let you stay, don’t they?!! LMTO (jk)

    dcollins – So, close……but it’s great to see that opposite field stuff from Andre 🙂

  35. enchantedbeaver

    Sorry Huggy, 3 hits and 2 walks in 3 innings ain’t gonna get it done.

    If Huggy and the Toaster are really 5th starter candidates, shouldn’t they be stretching it out to 4 or 5 innings now?

  36. colliethec

    Red pen…
    Thanks Enchanted. I’m good. Wifey just pointed out that we had an enchanted sunset about 5 minutes ago! Hen bam there you are!


    Good evening to one and all. Great historical stuff as usual, Josh. Never knew that statue existed. That’s only one reason why I love this blog. Speaking of that, thanks, eric, for the mention in your song. Now, we’re all immortalized. The ITD crew of songwriters just keep turning out solid gold…. great stuff on Honeycutt’s (and others) doctoring of the baseball. I’d forgotten he’d been suspended for that. Maybe he should be teaching that to some of the usual suspects.

  38. jhallwally

    LOL Trumom. We aren’t cruel. We just call it like we see it. Cruel is being subjected to watching Phew and his lame game. Especially when far superior players are forced to sit so he doesn’t get his feelings hurt.

  39. kpookiemon

    dodgereric, like everyone else before me, thanks for the mention. Not much to blog about these past few weeks, really. Guess the most intriguing thought would be to add Pedro, but I think he’s priced himself out of Frank’s reality. Disappointed that Repko and Estes seem to be slip-sliding away. Don’t really have any emotion for Weaver or Vargas or Milton. When in doubt, play the kids–Elbert and McDonald. Trouble is, a pitching staff is usually best served with PVLs. However, “usually” doesn’t mean “always.” Pierre still remains the ugly in-grown toe nail. A bad fit.

    Pac 10 puts five teams in the Whoop-dee-doo 32. How many will survive to the Sweet 16?????????????

  40. nellyjune

    Well, you know we are happy you keep finding your way back in, and if not, we will find a way to get you back in.

    Good Evening Kahli!!!

  41. colliethec

    I think the box score is off. It might be me as I’m pretty wiped out, but I think Huggy went 4 innings. 1 of the hits was a broken bat single that Guillen fisted. He actually looked not bad with his location as well as pitch selection. A couple of balls were hit hard but at the outfielders.
    Loney didn’t help Milton on that play. But Milton to me doesn’t look confident.
    But then Loney helps him there!!

  42. jhallwally

    You know Beav, with Mom/Nelly and Dad/Eric being so bombastic and using foul language, we have to be the calming influence around here. LMTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  43. nellyjune

    LMAO!!!!!! I like the burnt toast reference………..because the smell lingers for a lonnnnng time 🙂

  44. trublu4ever

    Nellyjune ~ It looks like your gnome will be on your piano for eternity!
    Milton is really, really awful! However, the rest of the invitees are just as bad!

  45. nellyjune

    … least for three more seasons. You know my son and husband just noticed it the other night. It’s still in the box because I am afraid MY cat my knock it off the piano on purpose, and then I got the idea maybe that isn’t such a bad idea. However, I think Ward Dear is right. I will need it for therapy the nights JP is starting instead of ANYBODY. Pinch hit/run fine…not a problem, but if he starts and nobody is sick or injured, watch out!!! Okay, Wally, maybe you have a point :):):) I’m not exactly calm when it comes to yougnomewho – LOL!!!

  46. nellyjune

    red pen – “might” not “my” – see, I got all worked up about yougnomewho – LOL!!! ….can’t even type now – LOL!!!

  47. colliethec

    For the $$$ spent on all the crummy pitchers this year to fill out Beimel’s & the 5th starter spot, couldn’t Ned of just signed Garland & Beimel?
    They would of equaled around 8-9 million.
    How much less were spent on the Vargas, Milton, Weaver, etc… ?
    They would of been pretty set instead of where they are.

  48. nellyjune

    Dodgereric/ITD manager/Ward Dear has come up with all kinds of names, and not one has FranknNed seemed to have considered.

  49. jhallwally

    LOL Beav!!! Things went awry for Milton about 3 years ago. Geez!!!! I guess it was worth a shot. Doesn’t cost anything to invite them to Spring Training. Sometimes you have to dig thru alot of Schidt to find a Pearl.

  50. nellyjune

    Good Evening Ward Dear!!!!!! ….so glad you are home……the boys have gone wild and they are out of control!!!!

  51. jhallwally

    Gosh do I feel calm. LOL!!!!! If this was the regular season and this was going on, you can kiss this calm s**t goodbye!!!

  52. colliethec

    I’m outta here. I’ll still watch the game but my computer is loosing battery power.
    Take care…..
    It was nice having Milton for a time being, cough, cough ….

  53. colliethec

    It was a Milton/Colly thought bubble. I want him released and I hope he will go. I’m sure he isn’t having any fun.

  54. nellyjune

    Good Night dcollins!!! Once again, glad you had a great birthday, and glad to hear your mom is home. Take Care and God Bless!!!!

  55. jhallwally

    Just a thought. How many of the cretins from Dodger Thoughts do you think will come crawling out of their holes now that they are hosted by the LA Times and the posts will be screened and delayed. Could be alot more moons over ITD gang.

  56. enchantedbeaver

    Shows you what a misleading stat ERA is. Milton’s given up 8 runs in three innings and still lowered his ERA.

  57. nellyjune

    ….somehow he manages without hitting the ball much. A walk here, a interference by a catcher there, and a few hits I do give him credit for.

  58. dodgereric

    The biggest problem with Milton’s location right now is that he plays in Los Angeles.

    By enchantedsunset on March 20, 2009 8:30 PM

    ….or that he found his way to the ballpark!

  59. jhallwally

    Ned should be dubbed the “Turdmeister”. He is a master at finding them. He needs more fiber however, as he can’t seem to get them to float. All stinkers and sinkers!!!!!!!!!!

  60. nellyjune

    Oh! now…Wally… know you shouldn’t be saying things like that. What will people think? We didn’t raise you to talk like that. Now apologize to Mr. Colletti.

  61. dodgereric

    That has a special meaning for someone who has had his dog throw up in the living room twice in 15 minutes.

  62. nellyjune

    …I can’t even type that with a straight face – LMAO!!!!!!! I picture what June would say, but that certainly isn’t how I would say it – LMAO!!!!!!!!! It’s more like “Way to Go Wally!!! You tell them!!!”


    ” I was in the middle of the road so I headed for the ditch. A rougher ride but I saw more interesting people there.”–Neil Young.
    Josh Lindblom looked good in his inning. Something positive comes out of this game. He could move up as fast as Kershaw.

  64. northstateblues

    What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin’ on here?

    I thought Frank paid this team to get a few wins, not to get blown out by a bunch of Kansas City…

    Never mind

  65. nellyjune

    That is much better Wally. Now, go wash up for dinner…..wait….it’s almost midnight in Ohio…..maybe not 🙂

  66. nellyjune

    hey northstateblues!!! You must be back in the northstate. How have you been? How was your trip to the southstate?

  67. nellyjune

    …I am picturing more like a tornado…….. not really sure where it’s headed and not sure what’s in store once it gets there.

  68. nellyjune

    I know that Wally – Grady and Andre in the same game, cool!!!! Midnight snacks are always good 🙂

    ….not the book you were reading I hope.

  69. jhallwally

    Maybe the Detroit Tigers will take Phew off our hands if we take Dontrel Willis off theirs.. Just a thought.

  70. nellyjune

    Hell – let Grady pitch….he can do it all…well, at least as good as some of these guys I am betting. (jk)

  71. northstateblues

    Hi! I’m good, had a nice short trip to SoCal.

    Looks like everyone’s having fun in here. I’ve been knocking a few back with the neighbors and sneaking a few peeks at the ballgame in between beers. Enough to make me wish I had a Mango scented towel to laugh/cry into/throw at the TV screen.

    Glad this is spring training, heheh.

  72. dodgereric

    Yeah Junie, the one I was reading. Ate the cover and the first six pages. Glad I finished it last night.

    This is what Rotoworld says about Lindblom:
    “While it’s the back of the rotation that’s getting most of the attention, the Dodgers aren’t thrilled with their bullpen candidates either. As a result, they’re considering rushing their 2008 second-round pick. Lindblom was expected to start games in the minors, but he was a closer in college and he has the stuff to a quality major league reliever.”

  73. nellyjune

    I need Ohio State to win jhall!! I have them at least to the Sweet 16, if not the Elite 8 or further. I am looking for the Cinderella teams to pull it out. No worries…..just 5 bucks against family mostly.

  74. nellyjune

    jhall – I don’t pick them based on anything other than teams I like or know people that have went there or are connected to. I even picked Cornell on one because my brothe-in-law is a professor there. …and of course the Sun Devils because of #16. I have Memphis winning a few rounds too because I spent time watching them while living there.

  75. dodgereric

    Some of us are, joe! I don’t know what those other monkeys are doing! 🙂

    Are you able to watch the game? I just see the box score. Two innings, 1 hit, 3Ks, 0 runs. Is KC just getting tired?


    I noticed, joepierre. Management must be considering him pretty seriously because they’ve just brought him into major league camp.


    real good fastball, good location,and a sharp breaking curve, eric. If he’s going to relieve, he’ll only need a couple of above average pitches. I didn’t really notice who was hitting for them.


    I hear ya, jhall. Utah lost, too. Don’t know how Utah State did against Marquette.

  79. jhallwally

    See ya Beav!! Great chatting with you my friend. I’m heading for the rack soon myself. Its been a ball gang. Lets hope someone steps up and grabs that 5th starter job.

  80. nellyjune

    Good Night enchanted/Beav!!! Take Care and have a great day tomorrow…..stay out of mischief…..nevermind 🙂


    You got that right, jhall.Not a good night for ITD in any sport……..good night, E. Happy trails!!!!

  82. jhallwally

    Watching the Buckeyes this year, I wasn’t very impressed or optimistic about them even making the Big Dance. I was hoping they could at least a game, but I am not surprised that they blew it. Still, all in all, a decent season. Very young and no true point guard. We’ll get’em next year. I am soooooo ready for the baseball season to start.


    Good night, jhall, nelly, and any others out there still about. A ripping good time as always. We’ll have to get nsblues working on that 5th starter avatar. Have a wonderful Saturday, everyone!!!!!

  84. nellyjune

    I got my first Dodger Magazine for the year yesterday, and it’s got me all excited about the regular season.

  85. jhallwally

    Should be an exciting season Nell’!!! I am looking forward to it and blogging with you and the rest of our great ITD family. We’ll howl at the moons and cheer our young guys on. Good Night Everyone and I hope you all have a great weekend. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!

  86. nellyjune

    Good Night jhall/Wally!!! It was great seeing you, Wally and Ward Dear back in action together. It’s going to be a great season for sure. I am guessing your dad is taking care of Lucy 😦 Take Care and God Bless!!! Have a wonderful weekend yourself!!!!

  87. nellyjune

    Hey Diggie!!! Great song earlier!!! I was hoping to catch the late night vesion here. I had the television rights taken away from me after the game. Enough Dodgers they said 🙂

  88. kpookiemon

    “Delwyn Young had two hits, raising his average to .289, and if the Dodgers end up placing him on waivers, there is a very good chance he won’t get through and that he will wind up in the uniform of a different organization. But if this club carries only four OFs, and it is beginning to look as if they will, DY is as good as gone because he is out of options.”

    Would the Dodgers have the nad to flat out release Pierre?????

  89. sparkleplenty_1

    Thanx! Sorry about losing your TV rights. That was a tough game . . . but the 30/30 program was really good! The commentators are very high on the club, particularly our young core, but, as we know, the pitching is questionable. Since they do re-runs of their 30/30 programs I’m fairly certain you’ll be able to see it.

  90. nellyjune

    Diggie – I am sure I will get to see it. I have seen the gnats and Mariners one a few times already.

    Kahli – could we actually be so lucky?

  91. dodgereric

    Hey, guess what I’ve been doing for the last ………. 3 HOURS??? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????

    Anyway, I got to thinking about what, who was it, seesky? said about us not having a decent 5th starter in forever (or something like that. Well, I decided to dedicate myself to ITD tonight and I researched our leaders in Games Started for the last 50 years – to get well into the 4-man rotation years. It’s horribly long and I apologize in advance, but I think it’s interesting. If you’re not interested in such things, start scrolling. The rest of you, here we go……….

    Derek Lowe 34
    Chad Billingsley 32
    Hiroki Kuroda 31
    Clayton Kershaw 21
    Brad Penny 17
    Greg Maddux, Eric Stults 7 each

    Brad Penny 33
    Derek Lowe 32
    Chad Billingsley 20
    Randy Wolf 18
    Mark Hendrickson, Brett Tomko 15 each

    Derek Lowe 34
    Brad Penny 33
    Chad Billingsley 16
    Aaron Sele 15
    Brett Tomko 15
    Mark Hendrickson, Greg Maddux 12 each

    Derek Lowe 35
    Jeff Weaver 34
    Brad Penny 29
    D.J. Houlton 19
    Odalis Perez 19
    Scott Erickson 8

    Jeff Weaver 34
    Kazuhisa Ishii 31
    Odalis Perez 31
    Jose Lima 24
    Hideo Nomo 18
    Wilson Alvarez 15

    Hideo Nomo 33
    Kevin Brown 32
    Odalis Perez 30
    Kazuhisa Ishii 27
    Wilson Alvarez, Andy Ashby 12 each

    Hideo Nomo 34
    Odalis Perez 32
    Andy Ashby 30
    Kazuhisa Ishii 28
    Omar Daal 23
    Kevin Brown 10

    Chan Ho Park 35
    Eric Gagne 24
    Terry Adams 22
    Luke Prokopec 22
    Kevin Brown 19
    Darren Dreifort 16

    Chan Ho Park 34
    Kevin Brown 33
    Darren Dreifort 32
    Carlos Perez 22
    Eric Gagne 19
    Ismael Valdez 8

    Kevin Brown 35
    Chan Ho Park 33
    Ismael Valdez 32
    Darren Dreifort 29
    Carlos Perez 16
    Eric Gagne 5

    Chan Ho Park 34
    Ismael Valdez 27
    Darren Dreifort 26
    Dave Mlicki 20
    Ramon Martinez 15
    Brian Bohanon 14

    Hideo Nomo 33
    Ismael Valdez 30
    Chan Ho Park 29
    Pedro Astacio 24
    Ramon Martinez 22
    Tom Candiotti 18

    Hideo Nomo 33
    Ismael Valdez 33
    Pedro Astacio 32
    Tom Candiotti 27
    Ramon Martinez 27
    Chan Ho Park 10

    Tom Candiotti 30
    Ramon Martinez 30
    Hideo Nomo 28
    Ismael Valdez 27
    Pedro Astacio, Kevin Tapani 11 each

    1994 (Strike year)
    Ramon Martinez 24
    Pedro Astacio 23
    Kevin Gross 23
    Tom Candiotti 22
    Orel Hershiser 21
    Ismael Valdez 1

    Orel Hershiser 33
    Tom Candiotti 32
    Kevin Gross 32
    Ramon Martinez 32
    Pedro Astacio 31
    Pedro Martinez 2

    Orel Hershiser 33
    Tom Candiotti 30
    Kevin Gross 30
    Bob Ojeda 29
    Ramon Martinez 25
    Pedro Astacio 11

    Tim Belcher 33
    Ramon Martinez 33
    Mike Morgan 33
    Bob Ojeda 31
    Orel Hershiser 21
    Kevin Gross 10

    Ramon Martinez 33
    Mike Morgan 33
    Fernando Valenzuela 33
    Tim Belcher 24
    Jim Neidlinger 12
    Mike Hartley 6

    Orel Hershiser 33
    Fernando Valenzuela 31
    Tim Belcher 30
    Mike Morgan 19
    Tim Leary 17
    Ramon Martinez 15

    Orel Hershiser 34
    Tim Leary 34
    Tim Belcher 27
    Fernando Valenzuela 22
    Don Sutton 16
    Shawn Hillegas 10

    Orel Hershiser 35
    Bob Welch 35
    Fernando Valenzuela 34
    Rick Honeycutt 20
    Tim Leary 12
    Shawn Hillegas 10

    Orel Hershiser 35
    Fernando Valenzuela 34
    Bob Welch 33
    Rick Honeycutt 28
    Jerry Reuss 13
    Alejandro Pena 10

    Fernando Valenzuela 35
    Orel Hershiser 34
    Jerry Reuss 33
    Rick Honeycutt 25
    Bob Welch 23
    Bobby Castillo 5

    Fernando Valenzuela 34
    Bob Welch 29
    Rick Honeycutt 28
    Alejandro Pena 28
    Orel Hershiser 20
    Jerry Reuss 15

    Fernando Valenzuela 35
    Jerry Reuss 31
    Bob Welch 31
    Burt Hooton 27
    Alejandro Pena 26
    Rick Honeycutt 7

    Jerry Reuss 37
    Fernando Valenzuela 37
    Bob Welch 36
    Burt Hooton 21
    Dave Stewart 14
    Vicente Romo 6

    1981 (Strike year)
    Fernando Valenzuela 25
    Burt Hooton 23
    Bob Welch 23
    Jerry Reuss 22
    Dave Goltz 8
    Rick Sutcliffe 6

    Burt Hooton 30
    Bob Welch 32
    Don Sutton 31
    Jerry Reuss 29
    Dave Goltz 27
    Rick Sutcliffe 10

    Don Sutton 32
    Rick Sutcliffe 30
    Burt Hooton 29
    Jerry Reuss 21
    Charlie Hough 14
    Bob Welch 12

    Don Sutton 34
    Burt Hooton 32
    Tommy John 30
    Doug Rau 30
    Rick Rhoden 23
    Bob Welch 13

    Don Sutton 33
    Doug Rau 32
    Burt Hooton 31
    Tommy John 31
    Rick Rhoden 31
    Charlie Hough, Al Downing, Dennis Lewallyn, Bobby Castillo 1 each

    Don Sutton 34
    Burt Hooton 33
    Doug Rau 32
    Tommy John 31
    Rick Rhoden 26
    Al Downing 3

    Andy Messersmith 40
    Doug Rau 38
    Don Sutton 35
    Burt Hooton 30
    Rick Rhoden 11
    Al Downing 6

    Don Sutton 40
    Andy Messersmith 39
    Doug Rau 35
    Tommy John 22
    Al Downing 16
    Geoff Zahn 10

    Andy Messersmith 33
    Claude Osteen 33
    Don Sutton 33
    Tommy John 31
    Al Downing 28
    Doug Rau 3

    Claude Osteen 33
    Don Sutton 33
    Al Downing 30
    Tommy John 29
    Bill Singer 25
    Doug Rau 3

    Claude Osteen 38
    Don Sutton 37
    Al Downing 36
    Bill Singer 31
    Doyle Alexander 12
    Bob O’Brien 4

    Don Sutton 38
    Claude Osteen 37
    Alan Foster 33
    Joe Moeller 19
    Sandy Vance 18
    Bill Singer 16

    Claude Osteen 41
    Don Sutton 41
    Bill Singer 40
    Alan Foster 15
    Don Drysdale 12
    Jim Bunning 9

    Claude Osteen 36
    Bill Singer 36
    Don Drysdale 31
    Don Sutton 27
    Mike Kekich 20
    Mudcat Grant 4

    Claude Osteen 39
    Don Drysdale 38
    Don Sutton 34
    Bill Singer 29
    Jim Brewer 11
    Bob Miller 4

    Sandy Koufax 41
    Don Drysdale 40
    Claude Osteen 39
    Don Sutton 35
    Joe Moeller 8

    Don Drysdale 42
    Sandy Koufax 41
    Claude Osteen 40
    Johnny Podres 22
    Nick Willhite 6
    Howie Reed 5

    Don Drysdale 40
    Sandy Koufax 28
    Phil Ortega 25
    Joe Moeller 24
    Larry Miller 14
    Howie Reed, Nick Willhite 7 each

    Don Drysdale 42
    Sandy Koufax 40
    Johnny Podres 34
    Bob Miller 23
    Pete Richert 12
    Nick Willhite 8

    Don Drysdale 41
    Johnny Podres 40
    Stan Williams 28
    Sandy Koufax 26
    Joe Moeller 15
    Pete Richert 12

    Don Drysdale 37
    Sandy Koufax 35
    Stan Williams 35
    Johnny Podres 29
    Roger Craig 14
    Phil Ortega 2

    Don Drysdale 36
    Johnny Podres 33
    Stan Williams 30
    Sandy Koufax 26
    Roger Craig 15
    Danny McDevitt 7

    Don Drysdale 36
    Johnny Podres 29
    Sandy Koufax 23
    Danny McDevitt 22
    Roger Craig 17
    Stan Williams 15

    Ah, it was a nice trip down memory lane, wasn’t it?

    You have to go back to 1993 to find a solid 5-man rotation. Another 16 years to the next one. And this from a team renowned for its pitching. So I bow to seesky (or whoever said it. I’m too tired to look back. Good night and may God Bless you, one and all!

    And I do love this blog! 🙂

  92. shad78

    Shouldn’t Matt Herges be on that 2000 listed with his 5 starts? I guess he doesn’t count since you going by the top 6 most starts. What happen in 2001 that look bad? Dang 1965 just look plain rediciously.

  93. nellyjune

    Dodgereric/Ward Dear……..I was going to say …. “OMG!!!! I can’t believe you did that!”, but then I stopped because, yes, you would do something like that. You just had to make up for the fact that you didn’t know “everything” about the Dodgers. That was a fantastic list Eric and thanks once again for the history lesson 🙂

    Okay – yes, I am up a 3 am and watching the Dodgers on “30 Clubs and 30 Days”, and I didn’t think I could be anymore excited about this season starting, but with that, along with what Eric just posted a few short hours ago now, this is going to be one great year. All good things said about our team, and alot of truthful things said about our team that we have said at least a few thousand times………pitching and the role of yougnomewho. They even suggested bring Blake to the outfield if needed due to injury before yougnomewho.

    Okay – it’s now 4:09, and I started this about a half-hour ago. See, Dodger4life….this is what happens when I think it’s okay to go to bed early. I wake up at 3 or 4 in the morning ready to go.

  94. nellyjune

    One more thing Dodgereric/Ward Dear…… you know 99.95% of everything there is to know about the Dodgers:)

  95. nellyjune

    So much for X. Paul getting a shot, but we really knew this, didn’t we? Yes, I am still up. However, it looks like Minty Fresh will get to stay 🙂 …..there’s pitching issues in the article too, but we kind of know where we are there too, don’t we?

    Torre hasn’t decided how many infi
    elders he will carry, but he might go with only four outfielders (Manny Ramirez, Matt Kemp, Andre Ethier and Juan Pierre) because Casey Blake and Mientkiewicz can play the outfield. Torre likes Mientkiewicz because of his “grinder” mentality and as an experienced left-handed bat off the bench. Castro would be kept almost entirely for defensive purposes.

  96. crzblue2

    Nelly~ you are still up?? You have not gone to bed?
    Good morning ITD boys and girls! I am excited about today. Soon I will take off to go to breakfast close to the stadium. Tempted to take a look before going back later on.

  97. trublu4ever

    Good morning ~ Nellyjune, the only good thing about the article is Lindblom. He looked very good last night. We all knew Joe would keep the Popupaholic. That is unfortunate for the players who are more deserving of the job.

  98. nellyjune

    trublu ~ Yes, I agree, Lindbolm was looking pretty good last night, and that is a definite plus in the area of pitching.

    Emma – I wasn’t up all night. I got about 4 and a half hours sleep.

  99. cpompe1

    Good morning ITD boys and girls!
    Yeah, saw last night’s game; not pretty. Not pretty at all. But as everyone said, Josh Lindblom looked very good! And I read that article about the 5th starter battles. I say, let’s see Josh pitch a couple more times and we’ll see! He may be just what the doctor ordered!

    Emma – I know that you’re probably gone to breakfast by the stadium. I hope you’ll get a chance to read this before the game tonight. I’m thrilled that I’m going to get to meet you in person! I’ll be at the game with my mom and two of my nephews. I’ll probably be wearing my Ethier jersey. Heck, it’s a baseball game being played in Dodger Stadium; what else would I wear??? 🙂

  100. cpompe1

    Oh, and dcollins, I’m glad that your mom is out of the hospital. Your mom sounds kinda like my mom. She’s 83 and worked f/t, right up until about a year and a half ago when she sold her home and moved. She LOVES crossword puzzles and does that all the time and plays her piano everyday. She still drives, but us kids (and her grandkids) drive her if we’re all going to someplace together; like Dodger games!!! 🙂

  101. Dodger4life

    Good morning ITD, Dodgerfaithful
    WOW!!!! Eric You get an an A+ on your report of Dodger pitchers…
    You had me LMAO!!!! early in the morning. It is good to see you active again 🙂
    Dodgers and Indians today. Kuroda takes the hill, Go get um Kuroda. Game day audio at 1:05 PT.
    GO DODGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Opening Day is right around the corner 🙂
    UCLA takes on Villanova GO BRUINS!!!
    Junior Johnson and others return to Bristol tonight in a 50 lap special 🙂
    Enjoy the day everyone 🙂

  102. cpompe1

    So Kuroda-san is pitching today? I would’ve rather him pitch yesterday, but oh well. Pitchers must stay on their schedules…

  103. enchantedbeaver

    I’m sick of JoJo and his “grinder” mentality. DY was the best PH we had last year and can hit from both sides of the plate so you can’t match up on him. To give his spot to Monkeywhiskers would be an injustice and a mistake.

    The bench should be Ausmus, Loretta, DeWitt, DY and [barf] Pierre. We’ll end up with Ausmus, Castro, Monkeyman, Loretta and Pierre. Which bench would you rather have? JoJo’s starting his BS again with his veteran love.

    And if you’re going to release DY, why not try and trade him first for a pitcher?

  104. Dodger4life

    Hi cp!!! It is warmer than it was in late December. All is good. I hope all is well on your end. I am thinking that recent post by our ITD manager Dodgereric is the longest of the 2009 season, yet it is only spring training. This should be a fun season 🙂
    GO DODGERS!!!!!!

  105. cpompe1

    And Enchanted, I’m also hoping for a bench of Ausmus, Loretta, DeWitt, DY and Pierre. But I am still curious. Whatever happened to Ardoin? I know he was in the big league camp, but was he optioned to the minors? I mean, we’re not going to be carrying 3 catchers on our 25 man roster, are we?

  106. enchantedbeaver

    Ardoin was toast the minute they signed Ausmus. I think Ellis makes the roster as back-up next year.

  107. cpompe1

    Oh Enchanted, I thought you already came home from TX. Well, drive carefully on your way home.

    And Dodger4life – I’m glad that ID is warmer than it was. For me, things are okay. I’m still unemployed (although kinda hopeful) and my shoulder is feeling better. It’s still not 100% yet; but I have made improvements. And yeah, given Eric’s latest post and the fact that it is only spring training, can’t imagine what he has in store for us during the season!

  108. cpompe1

    Is Ardoin on the team (maybe in the minors) anymore? The Dodgers could have and I didn’t notice it, but did the Dodgers release Ardoin? Is he in the minors? I just wonder what happened to him?

  109. trublu4ever

    I would much rather have your bench, Enchanted, than Joe’s. It’s a shame that we are going to lose DY. I still say that if the Popupaholic wasn’t making that huge salary, he’d be sent down.

  110. enchantedbeaver

    They still show Ardoin on the 40 man roster CP, but since Marty’s been back from the WBC, he pretty much hasn’t been seen.

  111. enchantedbeaver

    Pierre’s virtually worthless, but with his contract and Joe’s vet’ran love, DY gets the shaft. I think they’re counting on everyone’s roster being set so that DY will clear waivers, but how many teams have their 25th spot being taken up by an “oh hell, just throw Jimmy on the roster for now” guy that wouldn’t jump at the chance to pick-up DY.

    Just another huge batch of JoJo BS being shoveled our way.

    Actually if I were manager, my bench wouldn’t even have JP, it’d have Paul – he’s earned it.

  112. trublu4ever

    I’d love to have XPaul on my bench! You are the GM, Enchanted……….make someting happen!!! lol

  113. nellyjune

    Good Morning again ITD readers and writers!!!!

    enchanted – I didn’t realize DY would not be part of the lineup. I just assumed that….bad for me I guess 😦

    CP – No question about what you would wear 🙂 …….and yes, his new picture looks much better. There is a great picture of him in the new Dodger magazine 🙂

  114. enchantedbeaver

    With Joe The Clown talking Castro and Monkeyman, and we already know that Loretta, Ausmus and JP are locks, that’s one pathetic bench. You put DY, DeWitt and Paul in there for M, JP and Castro and its the best in baseball.

  115. enchantedbeaver

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but does not DY also play 2 OF and 2 IF positions? Plus he hits from both sides, has more speed and isn’t a washed up piece of Schmidt. Perhaps JoJo’s longing for another Sweeney. Monkey’s hitting .118 this spring.

  116. cpompe1

    Oh, well, I was away from the computer for a bit. I still REALLY think that DeWitt will make the 25-man roster and will get sufficient playing time. I REALLY don’t see Castro making it onto the 25-man team. I certainly could be wrong (and have been many times before) but I still don’t see them keeping Castro.

    Now, I know many here won’t like me for saying this, but I could see the Dodgers keeping Mientkiewicz. As much as I want DY to stay, I don’t think he will. I’m thinking that Mientkiewicz may have a leg up on DY just because he can play more defensive positions than DY can. Again, don’t get me wrong; I like DY, but I can see Mientkiewicz “pushing” him off the roster.

    But I’m curious; what happens if DY doesn’t clear waivers and some other team picks him up (which I DEFINITELY think would happen)? Would we be “compensated” if DY doesn’t clear waivers, kinda like getting compensated if someone else signs a FA? I don’t think so, but someone let me know.

  117. enchantedbeaver

    Look at it this way. If you put Mientkiewicz on waivers, would he clear? I think that’s a 100% certainty. If you put DY on waivers would he get claimed? I think that’s a 100% cetainty also. That in a nutshell pretty much tells you each’s worth.

    A Sweeeney by any other name would be Mientkiewicz.

  118. trublu4ever

    I think it was in the article you posted early this morning, Nellyjune. Joe’s wants Castro because of his defense?!

  119. trublu4ever

    If it’s defense, Joe wants, why the heck is JP playing! If he comes in at the end of the game we are in trouble……every single becomes a double with him!

  120. enchantedbeaver

    That’s another great issue Tru. If we assume that Furcal and Hudson are healthy, shouldn’t we put a comparable bat (DeWitt) in the line-up when they’re rested? DeWitt’s D is fine too.

    You put Castro on the roster for his D, now you’ve go two poke hitters on the bench that rarely get it out of the infield as potential PHs in critical situations.

  121. cpompe1

    I’ve been trying to count how many 25-man roster spots there would be available for the bench. Okay, we have our starting eight (Martin, Loney, Hudson, Raffy, Blake, Manny, Kemp, and Ethier). The pitching staff (whoever comprises the staff outside of the known commodities – Billz, Kersh, Kuroda-san, Wolf, Broxton, etc) probably would number 11; that would be 19 already. That would leave 6 position players on the bench. We certainly know that Loretta, Ausmus and JP (yuck!) are locks on the bench. That’s 22 players. For the reasons I mentioned before, I can see DeWitt and Mientkiewicz making the team; that’s 24. For me, that 25th player on the active roster would be an outfielder. Perhaps I was wrong in my calculations before and DY will make it. Or, perhaps the X-Man or Repko will make it.

    I’ve gotta go, but I’ll be back later (if only to read) before I leave the house. Someone tell me if I’ve missed naming someone else or if my numbers just don’t add up. We wouldn’t consider carrying a 12 man pitching staff, would we?

  122. enchantedbeaver

    Joe did it last year Tru – put JP in as a “defensive” replacement for Manny. That’s just irresponsible managing.

  123. trublu4ever

    Your numbers sound okay to me, Enchanted. We might not carry a 12 man pitching staff but, would Joe?

  124. enchantedbeaver

    I think with what we’ve got for a BP and #5, a 12 man staff is not only a cetainty, its a must CP.

  125. nellyjune

    …he must be going with 12 pitchers because the article I posted this morning said, he was going with 4 outfielders and if need be Minty and Blake can play outfield if needed.

  126. Dodger4life

    clap, clap] [clap, clap,clap
    clap, clap] [clap, clap,clap
    clap, clap] [clap, clap,clap…
    GO DODGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    BRING THE RING TO L.A. IN 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  127. nellyjune

    Furcal, SS
    Hudson, 2B
    Martin, C
    Blake, 3B
    Mientkiewicz, 1B
    Pierre, CF
    Pascucci, DH
    Jones, M, LF
    Repko, RF

    …no Loney either 😦


    Now it really is time to start thinking about baseball season as my UCLA Bruins got tossed out of the NCAA tourny today in a non-comeptitive game. Good luck to the rest of you on your favorite teams, even the SC fans. I would like to PAC 10 to have a decent showing.

    Eric’s impressive list of starting pitchers was quite revealing. First, the list included a lot of players who are not household names and a few who are but for the wrong reason. It also proved that the 5th starter may not be all that important if 1-4’s are not effective, and may not be all that important even if the 1-4’s do very well. Also, rotations sometimes get shifted around due to injury, rainouts, marathon games and such. Every game is important but if a team has at least three effective starters, it might be able to hide the drop off at the bottom. Basically what you are asking for today from a good starter is 6-7 innings so getting 5-6 out of a backend guy seems to be acceptable by today’s standards.

  129. trublu4ever

    lbirken ~ the UCLA loss was very hard to watch. I wanted all of the Pac-10 to move on to the Sweet Sixteen.


    Yes, it was hard to watch. My son, who went to Cal thinks I should be happy enough the Bruins have made it to three final fours in a row but today’s loss makes four consecutive tournament losses by blowouts. At least I can’t look back and say ” what if”.

  131. nellyjune

    Yougnomewho – bunt……out..Why? ……..because he thought the ball was going foul and he was tagged out. Even Charlie called it an embarrassing moment.

  132. trublu4ever

    Do you mean there will be a lot of embarrassing moments for Yougnomewho? To me, it’s an embarrassment to have him on the team!

  133. enchantedbeaver

    I think I said this morning that JP was almost worthless. Now I can revise it to totally worthless.

    How is JP a “veteran grinder” when he can’t even take off to first on a bunt even if he thinks its foul? Pathetic isn’t even the word. For Godssake Ned, release this pile and put another real ballplayer on the team.

  134. trublu4ever

    Enchanted ~ I think they meant to say “veteran grounder”…grounds out or “veteran popper” that’s what popupaholics do best!

  135. nellyjune

    …’s not even us calling it embarrassing anymore. I still hear Charlie’s voice….”Well, that was an embarrassing moment.” …..and he works for the Dodgers!!!! We are just stupid fans who supposedly are blind and don’t see that there are 8 other outfielders outperforming him right now.

  136. enchantedbeaver

    I’ve had it with JoJo the idiot also.

    And yes I have spent most of the afternoon at the St. Arnolds brewery.

  137. Dodger4life

    Instead of trying to support yougnomewho I have shifted my positive energy toward Jamie, our new CEO….
    GO DODGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  138. trublu4ever

    I have a feeling, we may all be drunk while watching games this season. Should make for some interesting posts!

  139. trublu4ever

    Boy, Monday & Charlie don’t like JP at all! They say his bunting skills are in regression! We all knew that!!!

  140. enchantedbeaver

    Like jungar said last year, you’re paying JP regardless of performance, why not put somebody better on the team?

    More than Ned, I blame Joe. Cut the SOB from the team and put somebody on it that can actually contribute . Joe’s as worthless as JP in my rather out of focus book.

  141. trublu4ever


  142. trublu4ever

    This is sooo weird today, we are all thinking alike! I don’t know if that’s a good or bad thing. LOL


    Enchanted, no questions but at least Pierre is easier to spell and fits better on the uniform. See, I found something positive to say.

  144. jhallwally

    For Godssake Ned, release this pile and put another real ballplayer on the team.
    By enchantedsunset on March 21, 2009 1:48 PM


    I think Pile is Phew’s new nickname. Pretty much says it all. You don’t even have to mention what kind of pile. LOL!!!! Everyone already knows. LMTO!!!!

  145. jhallwally

    BEEEEAV!!!! Super my friend. Very calm and LMAO!!! If Ned could remove his head from his nether region, perhaps he would be less obstructed and we would not suffer with chronic piles.

  146. jhallwally

    Hey lbirken. I’d send along a case of Thin Mints with Pile just to get rid of his sorry……………….

  147. enchantedbeaver

    Just what I need right now – my sister’s parrot imitating her and my mom…

    Who here doesn’t think we’ll end up with a bench of Monkeywitz, Phew and Castro?

  148. jhallwally

    It’s not looking good Beav!!!! Just when you think they can’t possibly get any stupider, they freaking do.

  149. colliethec

    Good morning ITD’ers.
    My Mom is doing better today so thanks for al the well wishes & prayers.
    Interesting list Eric! Many different things can be taken from that list. What I took from that list is that we’ve not had a very good #5 for quite awhile, however many of those years were our down years in the 90’s through the early 2000’s.
    My concern with the 5th starter is that I feel our 1-4 starters are really 2-5 starters.
    Great hire Josh!
    Go Blue!
    Bring the Ring to LA in 2009!!!


    Dcollins, I still think Bills, Kershaw and Kuroda have potential to be effective starters but the way the game is played today a lot of emphasis is placed on pitch counts. I agree that none of them is really a #1 guy (yet) so lets hope they can at least pitch deep into games and stay healthy. They might surprise you.

  151. Dodger4life

    Hello Nelly, I am good. UCLA did’nt play thier best today, even know they needed it to win. How are you doing???

  152. trublu4ever

    Jhall ~ It’s hard to stop the ignorance with who we’ve got in charge! With Joe, ignorance is bliss!

  153. enchantedbeaver

    Its really not so bad except fot the ringing in my ears.

    Will SOMEBODY answer that damn phone??!!!

  154. colliethec

    I’m hoping they surprise me Birk.
    I really like all of them as starters. I just feel that we don’t have a #1 and they are all pretty much 3-5 guys. Bills & Kersh are still really young, so my jury is out on them. Kersh obviously more than Bills. I also feel that these two are still learning that they can’t strike everybody out. Last year it seemed to me that Bills would get 2 strikes on someone and then keep trying to fastball him to death and his pitches would be fouled off. This would add to his pitch count. Kersh did this as well when he was up. Hopefully these 2 have learned to pitch to contact as they say and not try to K everybody and be to perfect with their pitch. The other day Kersh did a great job of this. So maybe they are learning this.
    By the way this is one of my problems with Broxton. The dude is a stud but he will try to blow everyone away and often end up walking a guy. Often it’s the leadoff batter and they end up scoring. He also is horrible with holding those runners on. I don’t know how to look up the stat of the runs scored against him last year but my guess is that many were due to walks.
    Also I’m concerned with the health of Wolf & Kuroda in the long run. I do think Kuroda will be better this year than last just because I think it takes players time to get acclimated to such a new surrounding.
    If we had a true #1 then I would feel that we had great pitching.
    They mentioned on the 30 in 30 last night that Joe did a great job of putting Bills in the #3 slot to take the pressure off of him & I agree with that. I think Bills feels pressure on him and hasn’t quite learned how to not take that burden. He has the potential to be a #1 and I love his skills.

  155. heartruss

    Good afternoon ITD
    I am getting ready to go to Dodger Stadium. I got out my Dodger Blue car and washed it although the rain is threatening. I am not too into the game today since it is Venezuela and Korea playing. I will probably go into the team store and see what they have. I am looking forward to tomorrow’s game when USA and Japan play. However it will probably be pouring rain. Anyone who is going today, look me up. I think I will be in sec 47 row A seat 1, my old seat, field section. Most probably however you will find me in the team store. I was listening to the ST game but turned it off. It’s just ST. It’s just ST. That’s what I keep telling myself.

  156. jhallwally

    Piles mama with a spatula Beav. Slappy dribbles one to short and can’t get the runner in from 3rd with 1 out. Why am I not surprised?


    Heartruss, I will be there for the finals on Monday so I am hoping the USA team can limp its way into that game.

  158. colliethec

    Surprise, surprise, surprise,…. runner on 3rd less than 2 outs and Pile is up and grounds out… so the runner can’t score.
    0-4 w/3 LOB. Batting 171.
    Please for the love of baseball make it stop!!!!!!!

  159. enchantedbeaver


    This is how it’s going to be all year with him as a PH – he can’t get it out of the infield.

  160. shad78

    Damn stop it Mientkiewicz I want Paul, Young or Pascucci. Where was Pascucci at when we need a 3rd basemen years ago and we went with Nakumara or whatever his name was.

  161. colliethec

    Hello there Heart! Not the Dodgers or USA for you tonight but it’s still baseball and hot dogs and all the fun that goes along with it. There should be a pretty enthusiastic crowd there so that should make it fun.
    Tru — We were thinking alike there!

  162. shad78

    I agree with you enchanterd but I would give Lindblom one more year but the way he pitching these last 2 games he look good right now.

  163. enchantedbeaver

    We could have a really GREAT ballclub is management would just go with talent over “experience.”

  164. nellyjune

    :):):):):):):):):):) LMAO!!!!!! Maybe we can only do audio so we can’t see if Joe is actually awake to see how horrible yougnomewho is actually doing.

  165. enchantedbeaver

    That’s the trouble Nells, JoJo doesn’t care how JP does he’s still #4. A #4 I might add that will get more PAs than any other #4 in either league.

  166. colliethec

    Last night were watching 30 & 30 and Wifey was saying why aren’t they talking about Pierre (She feels sorry for him. I know he stinks but my Wife has a very kind heart. Which makes me a lucky guy so I’m not going to complain!!!).
    I tell her they will probably say what we generally say on this blog… he is going to be an expensive pinch runner. That is about all he has to offer.
    Towards the end of the show they got on the subject of Pierre and asked what his role was and Mitch Williams said that in the 8th inning when Manny doubles he would put in Pierre to pinch run but that is about it. They all pretty much said the same thing, which is that he doesn’t really have much of a role unless Manny is injured.
    I would go further and say that he just shouldn’t have a role.
    It is obvious he wants to be anywhere else other than there. If they want to keep one of the PVL’ers because they are good clubhouse guys, why not once again have addition by subtraction and rid themselves of Pierre. That would open another slot on the roster for someone like DY. Just go to him and say look we can’t trade you and you aren’t going to play. If you want to play we’ll release you but let’s work out the $$$. They’ll call it the Andruw Out instead of the Opt Out.
    Someone mentioned it earlier that with Castro & Pierre on the team they really aren’t the pinch hitter type. Late in the game you want someone to score runners and if there is a runner on and they are up I don’t see them moving the runner up.
    Just the more I type the more pops into my mind & I can’t type fast enough and the more annoyed I get with having him on the team.
    So I shall stop now…

  167. nellyjune

    dcollins – you are so right. He doesn’t want to be here, so how is that going to help the club with moral. For as bad as Sweeney was last year, you never heard about him coming across as bitter or mad at the fans, and he really did seem to have a great report with all of the players, as he is seen in many, many photos. JP….other than the one dispicable picture with him and Andre, you never see pictures of him just having fun. He will never bring that looseness to the clubhouse, much like “should I dare say” Jeff Kent. ……and don’t get me started… family are gnat fans and they hated him too……..that’s one Dodger/gnat thing we have in common.

  168. nellyjune

    dcollins – that last comment was not directed at you at all…..I meant to separate it for the Kent fans. I am not a Kent fan.

  169. enchantedbeaver

    Even Pierre’s speed is wasted because he never gets to a point where he can use it. Do you know how bad you have to hit to hit .175? Once you get in the .100’s, your average doesn’t change that much going down, but a hit can elevate it considerably.

  170. jhallwally

    We can only hope that some team has a major injury in the outfield and would take Pile off our hands. Pile signing will rate among the top 5 all time worst signings ever. Thanks Nediot!!!!!!!!!

  171. shad78

    I bet the other guys that having a good spring say I haven’t got a chance of making this team if Pierre was hitting below .100 or any veteran in that case.

  172. jhallwally

    Add in the top 10 to 20 all time worst signings of Schidt and Cow and you have to wonder why he still has a job. Total ignorance!!!!!!!!!!!

  173. colliethec

    I hear you Nelly. Myself, I didn’t mind Kent.
    I know he wasn’t a clubhouse guy but not everyone will be. But I don’t think he was hating where he was in the same way Pierre is. To me there is a difference. Seems to me like Pierre thinks he should be starting where Kent was just a grumpy guy. One is bitter at teammates for their success where the other just is bitter.

  174. nellyjune

    …and it’s not just the fans seeing it now jhall…….anybody involved in the Dodgers, except for Frank, Ned and Joe are seeing the same player we are. It’s not rocket science….he can’t hit, he can’t throw, and he’s not getting on base to use the one talent he “might” still have so he should be a pinch runner at best, but why take up a roster spot when DY, Paul and Repko can hit, throw and run 🙂

  175. jhallwally

    That’s enough without all the Bombko, Jay Sao, Baez, Lance Carter, Proctor, Lugo, etc….. disasters. Un-freaking-believable. C’mon Frank, maybe its you with cranio-rectal inversion.

  176. colliethec

    Enchanted you asked if we know how bad you have to hit to bat 175…
    Umm, well, … we did watch Sweeney and The Cow all last season so YES WE CAN!!! LMKO!!!!!
    Pierre is really showing his skills today isn’t he? Sorry Amy…

  177. colliethec

    Nelly your post @4:08 was perfect. It was what I was trying to say and kept getting distracted because I was getting so annoyed! It was right to the point:
    It’s not rocket science….he can’t hit, he can’t throw, and he’s not getting on base to use the one talent he “might” still have so he should be a pinch runner at best, but why take up a roster spot when DY, Paul and Repko can hit, throw and run 🙂 By Nelly….
    Just perfect!


    Wow, only a ST game and still the rancor towards JP, Joe, Ned & Frank. This is going to be an interesting season.

    Just a thought but what about listing JP on Craig’s List?

  179. nellyjune

    Thanks dcollins ~ It’s funny……….we thought this time last season it was about a competition between Pierre and Ethier, but it really wasn’t. The competition was trying to prove to management and some others that JP never deserved to be out there in the first place. And this year, it even seems worse because he is fighting for a 4th outfielder spot that he doesn’t want, and still doesn’t deserve.

  180. colliethec

    Great idea Birk…
    True it’s only ST but I think we are seeing in Pile what we’ve seen for awhile and what we figure we will see for awhile.
    It just makes the stomach turn.

  181. enchantedbeaver

    That’s the trouble Nells, JP ISN’T fighting for the fourth OF spot – its been handed to him. That leaves the other guys fighting for the right to be traded. Its pathetic.

  182. nellyjune

    lbirken – it just fuels the fire for better song writing to be honest, and I am talking from experience right now. This talk is coming in handy 🙂

  183. jhallwally

    Its ignorance Beav!!!! Between Frank, Ned, and Joe, we seem to have gotten more than our fair share. Just unacceptable!!!!!!!!!!!!

  184. colliethec

    Last year Nelly I was defending Ned & Joe saying that they were just playing Pierre to show for trades.
    But after what took place last year, I’ve changed my opinion with that. Maybe they still are but he as most know shouldn’t be the 4th OF’er on this team.
    Of course he is a bit of an 0-fer.

  185. enchantedbeaver

    Earlier this spring I said that any line-up you put out there without JP in it was better. Make that any TEAM now. There’s absolutely nothing that JP has that brings anything additional to the table for this [or any] team. You talk about clearing waivers, put JP on it and I GUARANTEE he clears.

  186. enchantedbeaver

    And JoJo learned absolutely NOTHING in 2008. He’ll still give JP way more playing time than he deserves to the detriment of more deserving players and the team.

  187. colliethec

    Enchanted — About Pierre clearing waivers, I was thinking the same thing earlier when you mentioned DY.

  188. Dodger4life

    Juan Pierre goes 0 for 4 as X Paul gets yet another hit.
    MIT Sloan School of Buisness. You have inherited this problem. Please solve it soon.
    You can do it!!!!!
    GO DODGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  189. nellyjune

    LOL!! That’s good Dodger4life!! This could become a Thesis paper for some Business Grad Student…….find a way to unload Pierre with minimal damage to the Dodgers financially as well as prospects.


    It does not seem we need to look far for songwriting ideas. I am guessing Ned has talked to anyone who will listen about making a deal for JP and there are no takers. Even if Ned found a team willing to deal the Dodgers would most likely have to eat most if not all of JP’s salary. I don’t think the Dodgers are “showcasing” him because everyone knows that he can and cannot do.

  191. jhallwally

    I’d offer him to the Tigers for Dontrel Willis. One pile for another. Just unloading Phew improves the team by subtraction and allowing a better player/prospect to get his slot and a shot. Willis can work on his comeback in the Minors. You never know!!!!

  192. enchantedbeaver

    It would be well worth it to pay for Juan to play on another team so that he could $#%! them up as much as he does our team.

  193. nellyjune

    Have a great evening lbirken, and have fun on Monday at the WBC if we don’t see you before then 🙂

  194. Dodger4life

    That was funny dcollins. That kid was really selling it too.
    I’ll bet Frank payed more than a hundred bucks for that home run.

  195. nellyjune

    I apologize to all the fabulous original artists that were part of this song, but when the song was mentioned to me (thanks Dodger4life), we thought JP. The youtube link is here just in case you forgot or perhaps are too young to remember it.

    Song: I am the Juan
    Original Song: We are the World
    Original Artists: Various

    There comes a time when my fan needs a certain call
    When my worlds must come together as one
    There are bloggers crying
    Oh,and it’s time to lend my hand, to Joe
    The greatest gift of all

    Joe can go on pretending day by day
    That someone, somehow will soon make a change
    I am still part of this Dodger big family
    And the truth – you know I’m what Joe really needs

    ( CHORUS )
    I am the Juan, the left out Dodger
    I am the one who makes a ITD’s day
    so keep my playing
    There’s a choice Joe’s making
    By saving Ned’s own hide
    It’s true he’ll have a better day
    Just playing me

    I’ll, give Joe my heart
    So he knows that someone cares
    And our lives will be stronger and free
    As Ned has shown you
    By turning deals fans dread
    And so I must lend a helping hand


    When I am down and out
    There seems no hope at all
    But if I just believe
    There’s no way I can fall
    Well, well, well, just realize
    That one change can only come
    When Joe and I stand together as one


  196. nellyjune

    DODGERERIC!!!! red pen, red pen – “So keep my playing” should be “So keep me playing” – uuugggghhhh!!! sorry 🙂

  197. nellyjune

    DODGERERIC !!!!!- I found another one!!! Can you take out the “a” before “ITD” – it doesn’t need to be there – thank you once again.

  198. enchantedbeaver

    Nice one Nells!! Well done!!!!

    I have several in various stages of development, all with one thing in common. I keep hoping that they release or trade JP though so I don’t have to publish them.

  199. nellyjune

    Thank you enchanted!!! You know you would publish yours anyways…..even if it’s for a going away gift 🙂

  200. trublu4ever

    Great song, Nellyjune. I really do wish you’d publish your too, Enchanted. You know he’s going to be with us, try as hard as we may, to get him released. So, I’ll be counting the days for your first one to appear.

  201. heartruss

    DCollins, first of all, hope your mom is better. Sorry that she was sick. My Dad is 88 and I am having great fun spending time with him.
    I decided not to have a Dodger Dog tonight because there were no Dodgers there. I had a Canter’s pastrami sandwich instead.
    It was nice to be in Dodger Stadium. I did almost yell GO DODGERS after the national anthem. Ha ha.
    Tomorrow is the game. USA vs Japan.

  202. heartruss

    Nellyjune, I hope it doesn’t rain cuz I am very excited!! I am all set with my WBC shirt and cap. I will stay for the entire game tomorrow. How are you tonight?? How was dinner? Did Mariya cook?

  203. northstateblues

    One of the most boring saturday nights I’ve had in a while, but as an old teacher of mine once said: “being bored is for boring people.”

    Hi everyone, how’s it going? Me, just waiting for Dodger Baseball to start. I’m just not feeling the March Madness this year. I hope USC takes it all… but realistically, it’ll just be the Tarheels or Duke.

    My “March Madness” is going crazy waiting for the season to start!

  204. heartruss

    northstateblues…I just can’t get into basketball. I am all baseball, sometimes some football. I too am impatiently waiting for Dodger baseball to start.

  205. nellyjune

    heartruss – It’s raining here already and it has dropped about 20 degrees since sunset. Yes, Mariya cooked, and she did a fabulous job!!!

    Good Evening northstateblues – How is the north part of the state this evening,and how are you?

  206. heartruss

    So maybe the fifth starter will be MacDonald. He is a favorite of mine. he had a fantastic game today as did that Russell or should I say that J. Russell guy. Tomorrow the Dodgers will be on Channel 9 at 1 PM for those in southern California. Hmmm, have to leave early for the WBC game. Hope the ST game isn’t too exciting.

  207. northstateblues

    I’m definitely a baseball person first and foremost. Usually, I can get into March Madness, but this year, i’ve been more concerned with the WBC, heheh. I appreciate the global aspect of the Classic, and hope it can grow into something bigger, though hopefully they’d do it at a better time for baseball… that’s the only “sticky wicket” (in honor of Cricket-playing Manny).

    But I will be happy if USC wins. Usually, I’m resentful of College Basketball and Football during ST/Baseball season for clogging up the sports tickers, heheh.

  208. heartruss

    I think I can’t get involved with basketball because I live for baseball 6 months out of the year. I wouldn’t have a breather from sports if I liked basketball too!

  209. northstateblues

    Hi Nelly, it’s windy and rainy here. the more rain, the better 🙂 see if we can’t refill some of these dry resevoirs.

    The only bad thing about waiting for opening day is knowing there’s a day off after the first game. WTF?!!!

  210. nellyjune

    Well, my NASCAR teams are set and ready to go for tomorrow. This track is just awesome. It will be an exciting race for sure 🙂

  211. nellyjune

    Why on a Tuesday? They are having one of their “under the lights” nights that night. The gnats of all teams too. Get them in and out of town as quickly as possible is what I say.

  212. northstateblues

    I can’t get my mind around it either… maybe now we know why they call him Bud, heheheh.

    Oh yeah, this week’s Bristol. Love Bristol races. My faves are Talladega, Bristol, Daytona, Vegas, Fontana and Brickyard races. the only ones I really watch, and the only ones I make my NASCAR-hating housemates tolerate 🙂

  213. nellyjune

    I just listening to the other song Dodger4life – great song!!!! Certainly describes this group at times as well 🙂

  214. nellyjune

    Good Night ITD readers and writers!!!!! Have a great Sunday tomorrow!!! Take Care and God Bless!!!

    GO DODGERS!!!!!


    After a warm day of yard work, I like to enjoy a couple of Pacifico’s in the afternoon, but I got a little carried away last night. You guys are a bad influence.

  216. Dodger4life

    Good Sunday morning ITD, Dodgerfaithful
    Randy Wolf takes the hill today, keep getting the outs Randy, you are looking good.
    Opening day is approaching fast, and the battle for ring #7 is about is taking shape. What an event that shall be… I believe.
    Dodgers ~ Rangers 1:05 PT
    Enjoy your day everyone
    GO DODGERS!!!!!!!

  217. Dodger4life

    365 DAY’S A YEAR
    7 DAY’S A WEEK
    24 HOURS A DAY
    GO BLUE!!! BRING THE RING TO L.A.!!!!!!!!

  218. Dodger4life

    My arm feels good, my swing feels good, I’m ready to load this wagon up and head to the Ravine. All Aboard!!!!
    GO DODGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Good morning, ITD. Have had computer issues since yesterday and have not been able to get online until now….yes, eric, it was I who made the comment regarding 5th starters historically though I didn’t realize how long it had been. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. I did enjoy it…..sometimes.LOL!!!!….glad to see that McDonald stepped up with a fine performace yesterday. IMO, he should get the 5th spot and be allowed to pitch himself into or out of it. Unlike his competition (and I use that word rather loosely), he’s young and has an upside. Like we’ve always said, when in doubt,go with the kids.

  220. crzblue2

    Good morning ITD boys and girls!

    Carol! It was great meeting you and your family! How did you find me? LOL. I hope I get to see you more so let me know when you are at the stadium or at a Dodger event.
    It sure was cold last night and I had a heavy Dodger jacket and a heavy sweatshirt underneath. Where we sit you can feel the cold less and we are protected if it rain but I could have used one of my Dodger blankets. Should be interesting tonight with rain forcast.
    While I was in the Top Deck gift shop this lady approached me saying “were you at Camelback last week? I said “yes!”. She said “My husband and I saw you singing to Loney”. Then her husband said “T.J. talked about you guys in his column”. LOL.
    Now I am going now to work on my next thread in my blog
    Dave from Dodger Stadium: Here is the link to my blog 🙂
    p.s. Oh and I sure had a grilled Dodger dog. It tasted great!!

  221. trublu4ever

    Seeky ~ good to see you back. I also think Mcdonald should get a chance at number 5 starter. But, we all know, Joe prefers age over youth. So, I’ll bet he gives the 5th spot to Huggy Bear or Milton the Toaster. And, that will make Enchanted & Dodgereric very happy! LOL

  222. nellyjune

    Here’s today’s lineup thanks to Kenny G’s Around the Horn…

    Sunday’s Dodgers Lineup
    15 Rafael Furcal (S) SS

    30 Orlando Hudson (S) 2B

    16 Andre Ethier (L) RF

    7 James Loney (L) 1B

    23 Casey Blake 3B

    27 Matt Kemp CF

    9 Juan Pierre (L) LF

    12 Brad Ausmus C

    21 Randy Wolf (L) LHP

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