Holiday party…

Sorry it’s been a few days since the last post. This one will be short, as we’re having our company holiday party this evening and I don’t have much new news to report.

Most of you probably saw the news on the front of the site about the changes we’re making to our TV/radio broadcast teams. This was driven solely by the need for more consistency on KABC 790 and Charley jumped at the chance to do all 162 games alongside Rick Monday next season. So, while this was not an easy decision to replace Jerry Reuss, we do think it’ll give the fans a lot more regular voices on radio. And Jerry will continue to work with the organization on various things, as he’s obviously a huge part of our history (and for anyone who has met him, a truly great person).

Now we start the process of looking for someone to do 40 games on play-by-play alongside Steve Lyons in 2009 so we welcome any feedback, as always.



  1. amyw27

    Have a good party Josh and thank you for the new thread. As long as we have Vinny on the air..everything will be fine 🙂


    Repost from last thread:

    The discussion about a salary cap is interesting. I believe the other major sports have them although I defy anyone to explain how the caps work with all the exceptions, franchise players, etc. The players union would fight such a concept tooth and nail arguing there is no need since the game as a whole seems strong financially. In essance a salary cap of sorts already exists: the willingness (or stupidness) of major league owners to pay these high salaries and a luxary tax put on some arbitrary amount a team can pay. A lot of good that has done.

  3. junkyardjamie

    Have a great party Josh, and thanks for keeping us in touch with the front office. Also, nice touch at the top with the mlb blogs top 100 logo – pretty cool!!!! We will do our best to make ITD #1 next year.


  4. trublu4ever

    lbirken ~ you are right about the P.U. (Players’ Union) fighting a salary cap tooth & nail. I think we, the F.U. (Fans’ Union) has to say no to $5 hot dogs, no to $15 dollar parking, no to overpriced team merchandise and especially no to $90 ST tickets.

  5. enchantedbeaver

    I still can’t figure out why the A’s are so hot on Furcal’s trail. What are they going to do with him when the trade deadline comes and they throw in the towel again? Holliday won’t be there. Not that I question if Beane has a motive. I just can’t figure out what it is.


    I agree the fans can say no by not buying high priced food and drinks. I am not a beer drinker but even if I were I don’t think I would pay the price at a game but people do.

    I find the A’s pursuit of Furcal a bit out of their usual way of doing things. Since when did they go after high priced free agents with four year deals? Enchanted, you may have guessed their strategy; sign him now and trade him later for someone else’s prospects.

  7. oldbrooklynfan

    The most humbling news is that Vin Scully is not signed beyond 2009.
    But something tells me he will be.
    Steve Lyons is a comical guy, I’d liked to see him continue also.
    The Dodger unique stile of broadcasting goes all the way back to Red Barber and Connie Desmond. I listened to them when I was 9 years old and I remember when Scully began.
    Wow, that’s a long time ago.
    Listening to games on a Saturday afternoon on MLB audio, really brings back the old days.


    Vinnny is a treasure! And I thought I have been listening to him for a long time and I have been listening since the Dodgers came to L.A. in 1958.


    i don’t know if anyone posted this already.. but it looks like raffy will announce a decision tomorrow.. so one way or another.. at least we’ll know something..


    eric, i read the manny article you posted on the previous thread.. interesting read.. can’t say i disagree with any of it..


    i think raffy’s decision is down to us and the A’s.. i think he has to consider the A’s offer because it’s worth the most.. but i’m pretty sure i heard that he would like to stick to the national league.. and we’re the only national league team in the mix.. who would seriously believe that the royals are involved.. that’s laughable..


    Can you guys talk a little bit more about salary caps? Don’t know too much about them, so here are some questions…

    I know the salary cap hurts the Yankees, but how does it help the Dodgers? Don’t the Dodgers spend more than most teams? If there were a salary cap, wouldn’t the Dodgers be baseball’s version of the Knicks (before they finally made some good trades a few weeks ago)?


    okay.. i can’t get the video clip on my work computer.. but apparently there’s a TMZ video of barry bonds saying that manny ramirez should stay a dodger.. that’s hilarious

  14. enchantedbeaver

    ksdodgers – there’s quite a nice discussion of the salary cap the NHL uses at this link:

    I’d prefer the hard caps used by the NHL and NFL as opposed to the soft cap NBA, but even that would be preferable to nothing. Its already become a league where the small market teams are nothing more than a AAAA proving ground for big market teams.

  15. junkyardjamie

    enchanted – thank you for the link on the salary caps. The luxury tax sure is an interesting thing because the teams it is supposedly affecting really doesn’t have any affect on them at all. Out of the nine occasions the tax was used, 5 of those times was the Yankees, and they are probably headed for a sixth. Like you said, at this point any cap would be good, but lbirken makes a good point too because if the owners would just stop and say “enough is enough” that might work too. However, why should they if they can afford it? The Yankees and the Red Sox sure aren’t going to be the ones to stop it.


    He is on my SHIYATTTTTT List for sure. F this about looking forward to leading us to a World Series for 2o0 million bucks u fat piece of crap.

    And while he’s just three games into his Dominican season, Jones is already looking past the coming summer to next winter, when his two-year, $36.2-million deal with the Dodgers will be up and he’ll be heading back into the free-agent market.

    “After the next season I’ll be a free agent again,” he said. “I have to regain my confidence in the game, get the injury out of my mind and run like normal. That confidence is what I’ve come to look for with the Aguilas.”

    Uh OO..not that I care cause I don’t. Id much rather have Manny and Hu then Furcal and Pierre. (how i see it) but you know we sit here and the braves are trying to bring in the best pitcher in the NL and now the best infilder on the market…

    A fascinating new player has emerged in the Rafael Furcal sweepstakes.

    The Braves, Furcal’s original team, want him to return.

    “They’re in deep,” Furcal’s agent, Paul Kinzer, told on Monday night. “He’s seriously considering it.”

    The A’s still appear to have the high offer for Furcal — four years in the $40 million range, according to major-league sources.

    The Braves, however, are believed to have offered three years and a vesting option, though Kinzer would not confirm the exact terms.

    Furcal, 31, left the Braves after the 2005 season, signing a three- year, $39 million free-agent contract with the Dodgers. He still owns a home in the Atlanta area.

    Most ominously for the A’s, Furcal “will do whatever he can not to go to Oakland,” preferring to return to Atlanta or stay in Los Angeles, according to a rival executive.

    The addition of Furcal would give the Braves stunning flexibility in their middle infield, perhaps enabling them to revive their trade talks for Padres right-hander Jake Peavy.


    I agree that any kind of a salary cap would be an improvement over the present system. I do like one aspect of the “soft cap” because it allows a team to go above it to keep current players. The luxury tax is, essentially, a joke because teams just pay it and continue to spend. Historically, every time the issue arises in MLB, the players ask to look at the team’s books as proof of need and the owners refuse. It’s probably the only issue out there that would bring about a work stoppage if the owners pushed it. IMO, the overall financial state of the game would have to get a lot worse before it comes up again.

  18. dodgereric

    Hey everyone!

    Seen Gurnick’s latest honk piece?

    At least he handles a tough question, “Do you think this will be the year when Dodger fans turn their backs on the team?” Part of his answer:
    “If fans are turning their backs on the Dodgers because they aren’t spending more money than the Yankees, consider that the Dodgers spent wildly in the past on the winter’s top free agent (Kevin Brown) and heaped tons of money to keep their own players from leaving. It hasn’t worked.
    The Dodgers are trying a different approach, dependent on the continued improvement of their younger players. “

    That answer stinks. Saying that spending money on a big name FA hasn’t worked is an easy cop-out. Is he trying to say that no one who wins the Series has spent money on FAs? He better do his homework. It may not guarantee anything, but it usually gives you a better shot.

    And this “different approach” thing – if they shy away from multi-year contracts from now on, say good-bye to the young guns. Why would they stick around? Personally, I think the biggest reason they’re sticking with the kids is because they’re cheap – for now.

    Jungar, I’d rather have Manny and Hu (or DeJesus) than Furcal and Pierre too. What I’m not going to want to see is having neither Manny nor Furcal, because that probably means Pierre in Manny’s LF spot and Furcal’s leadoff position. Neither one is very attractive to me.

    One of the bad things about a hard salary cap is that it makes a lot of tough roster decisions every year, particularly when you are successful. And seesky is right about the players wanting to look at the books. The owners have some really interesting accounting. And regarding the owners “just saying no”…..the last time they did that they were found guilty of collusion and it cost them a bundle.

    The players can also point to the fact that there hasn’t been a repeat winner of the Series in the last 8 years. And only one of those 8 champs have won more than once. The Phillies, Red Sox, Cards, ChiSox, BoSox again, Marlins, Angels, D-Backs and then the Yanks start their run. No domination, both leagues represented.

    Something they also might look into is revenue sharing. The NFL does it and they’re fairly successful.

  19. junkyardjamie

    I am DODGER4LIFE, I am Drysdale, Koufax, Jackie (In Spirit Only),
    Tommy alway’s, I still am striving to be Orel, Vin at moment’s…( Even he will say it’s hard to be humble .) I am part of the MAGIC that is DODGER BASEBALL… 🙂

    I was asked to post this on Dodger4life’s request. He has been locked in his room and can’t get out 🙂

  20. dodgereric


    “About 2/3 of the NFL’s money comes from the TV deal. The players get about 2/3 of team revenue. So, more or less, the TV contract goes to pay the players. These contracts are typically for about 5 years, and every time they are renegotiated the price goes up. So do player’s salaries.

    The money from the TV contract is share and share alike – the Redskins, Cowboys, Bills, and Packers get identical checks. This money is key to the success of the smaller franchises. Without the TV contract money, there is simply no way on earth that Green Bay could ever field a competitive team.

    There are a lot of other sources for NFL money. NFL licensed jerseys, for example that Randy Moss jersey you put on your kid last Halloween when you dressed him up as a demon, result in license fees going to the NFL. This money is also equally shared.

    When the teams play, there is a “gate,” the money people pay for seats. This is in the neighborhood of about $2.5M per game. This money is split 60-40, with the visiting team getting 40% of the gate. Because of this teams like Jacksonville and Arizona just love it when the Packers or Cowboys come to play. These are the two or three games each year these teams can count on selling out, and the money they get is very welcome. Sometimes you will find that to buy a ticket to see the Packers on the road you have to buy a package of two or three tickets. This is nothing more or less than a device to get money from Packers fans into the pockets of the other teams owners.”

  21. junkyardjamie

    That is very intriguing Ward Dear……… I did not know that. That would make it much more interesting in the mlb then, wouldn’t it?

  22. dodgereric

    While it wouldn’t do the Dodgers much good, since their payroll (at least last year’s) is in the top, what, 5 – 6 teams, it would certainly make it possible for the Royals and Pirates of baseball to compete with the Yankees, wouldn’t it?

  23. dodgereric

    Now, that article is 3 years old now and may not be entirely up-to-date, it’s pretty close as far as I know.

    What they don’t share is money from the luxury boxes or non-football revenue from the stadium like concerts, etc.

  24. junkyardjamie

    So, we would still be screwed because of past signings whereas the A’s, Pirates, Royals and even the Marlins would benefit. Would that change ticket pricing too? This concept wouldn’t happen in baseball though, would it?

  25. junkyardjamie

    GO DODGERS!!!!!!!!
    BRING BACK THE BLUE CREW!!!!!!!!!!!!
    WE BELIEVE!!!!!!!!

    Dodger4life is still locked in his room and can’t get out ~ why would that be, I wonder?

  26. dodgereric

    I doubt it would change ticket prices. That’s still up to the owners.

    The concept would work, but it will never happen as long as the MLBPA is as strong as it is currently. Right now the sky is literally the limit on player salaries. The old argument they always give is, “why should we limit our own salaries?” Which makes sense, until the owners try to limit themselves. Then they get hauled into court for collusion for “fixing” salaries. Hogwash. They shouldn’t have it both ways, but they do.

    They even get the best of both worlds, union-wise. Most unions I know don’t allow each member to negotiate individual contracts.

  27. junkyardjamie

    That is very true Eric……..the way it is set up now, why would most want to change it. I mean if our FA’s didn’t turn out to be such duds and Dodger money was wisely spent, then we may be talking totally different.

  28. dodgereric

    Occasionally I have trouble getting in. Matter of fact, today was one of those days. That long post above was written on Word while I was trying to log in.

    Keep on truckin’ D4! You’ll make it eventually!

  29. junkyardjamie

    He’s over on facebook, and that’s what I told him. He can read, just not post. I have been having problems getting onto ITD at school myself, which is unusual because it’s usually faster. BTW – thanks for that video this morning – awesome story!!!

  30. junkyardjamie

    Yeah!!!!!! Now, you can talk for yourself. My secretarial duties are now over for the evening. Does enchantedGM pay overtime for stuff like that?

  31. dodgereric

    You’re welcome! That man is pretty inspirational.

    D4, welcome home!

    McCourt, sell the team. You can’t run it the way it deserves to be run. To quote Gollum, “Go away and never come back.”

  32. junkyardjamie

    Inspirational is right ~ There are some kids I know that need to see that video, and some of them reside in room 5.


    -I don’t know exact details on what you guys are talking about with salary cap, but if it hasn’t been mentioned I think there has to be a salary minimum too.

    -I just think when u embarrass yourself both mentally and physically as Jones did last year u shut it. Or at very least say all I care about is 2009 with the Dodgers and restoring my fine career. Is it that hard?

    -Furcal and Hu is Nomar to Loney. Just don’t overpay. It’s not that I dislike Furcal, but even Ned saw him basically ruin our last two years while paying him Albert Puljos and Jason Schmidt Money (lol). He’s hurt. Once the back goes, the leg injuries (hammys) follow. He’s ****. His peak is over. Mark my words weather we get him or not. I’m proud on Ned with this one so far. I am hoping we sign him, mainly so Ned does not sign Manny and then trade Ethier/Kemp for SS or SP.

    -Manny has to be got at all costs, not just cause we need the bat, but we need our image to not get completely killed

  34. junkyardjamie

    The Dodgers are looking pretty bad right now, aren’t they? I can’t imagine what Josh, and the rest of the PR dept. must be going through right now trying to figure out how to get out of all these nightmare media issues.

  35. Dodger4life

    This just in…
    The F.U. is currently in disscusion with Pete Rose, to not only get baseball back but get the ( man ) that would truly fall apart if baseball did’nt survive 😦
    Newsletter’s to be out soon 🙂

  36. dodgereric

    Well, we better get used to it. We’ll bide our time and watch as the better players come off the board – you know – the ones that want the multi-year contracts. We’ll get the middle-of-the-road guys. Again. Because that’s all McCourt can afford now.

    jungar, of course there’s a minimum salary. There’s a minimum cap in the NFL. Every team has to spend AT LEAST 75% of the cap on player salaries. Just for the sake of easy numbers, if the cap for the entire team is $100 million, every team has to pay at least $75 million. I don’t know what the minimum per player is right now. Probably somewhere around $350 thou.

    The cool part is that the contracts aren’t guaranteed. Ms McCheap will love that one.

  37. junkyardjamie

    Dodger4life ~ I think it was on earlier today. I had a hard time keeping up with all the antics today between our beloved dodgereric and enchanted trying to keep trublu happy. At least I think that is what was going on……

  38. junkyardjamie

    So, dodgereric/dodger4life – are you missing NASCAR? I sure am. I was talking to my NASCAR buddy at school today. He was wearing his Jimmie Johnson shirt today, and he is having a hard time on Sundays too. Not to mention our football teams aren’t doing so hot. He is a Raiders fan and the Redskins lost to the Bengals for goodness sakes. I am wearing my Denny Hamlin t-shirt as I write.

  39. dodgereric

    Yeah, you bet. The whole thing – qualifying, practices, what chassis are they using for the particular track, the sound of the engines. But this time of year has basketball and hockey to fill up the week between football games. Scouts, Matt’s hockey, taking care of my mom, work, the holidays. I’m never bored.

  40. dodgereric

    I sent the email to MLBlogs to get the Top 100 banner on our site. Hopefully they’ll come through. That’ll be cool to have that!

  41. junkyardjamie

    ………and you forgot about your LOTR marathon – LOL!!! You can’t forget that! However, I guess that can go under holiday activities 🙂

  42. dodgereric

    She’s ok. Her husbands’ not so good. He’s become very aggressive and can’t be at home anymore. He’s in a place 60 miles away while he’s being evaluated. My mom had done all she could and then some more, but even though she almost killed herself doing it, she still feels guilty about it. It’s tough.

  43. dodgereric

    Yeah, that’s the one. If you go back to the last thread and hit the link for the top 100, it mentioned that they’d be providing a way to get it on your blog. I checked back today and they provided an email link to put in our site’s name and the URL. We’ll see, I guess.

  44. junkyardjamie

    So, her husband is still in that place? I know that’s got to be hard on her even though it’s a good thing for her. Well, she’s got you, and you will make sure everything is fine – no doubts about that 🙂 We’ve been there Eric, and it’s no fun at all. You have the faith though, and that’s what it takes, really. Faith that everything will be alright.

  45. junkyardjamie

    So, does the Dodgerlyrics site have one too, or was it just the professional ones? I guess I can check myself….. 🙂

  46. dodgereric

    He’s actually in another one now. He was too aggressive for the first place, so he’s in another one that specializes in Alzheimers’ cases. He’s completely uncooperative, refuses all assistance, whether it’s from my mom, his daughters or any of the healthcare people. A complete 180 degree turnaround from how he’s led his entire life. Strange thing indeed.

    My mom is a very proud person and not used to receiving help from anyone. I guess it’s that midwestern thing. It’s been hard for her to ask us for help, but I think now it’s getting easier. She knows we’re here for her. That helps.

    I think I need to hit the hay, June Darlin’. It’s starting to take a while to go back and fix all the typing errors.

    God Bless you and you too D4, wherever you may be!

  47. Dodger4life

    I’m back, My happy song is playing
    The Buffet had an awesome special on leftover’s
    Nothing goes better with beer than a midnight buffet
    Can you say Pecan Pie 🙂

  48. junkyardjamie

    Good Night Ward Dear………thanks for the chat, get some well deserved rest, and talk to you tomorrow God willing. Take Care and God Bless to you and yours 🙂

  49. enchantedbeaver

    Excellent article by Simers – thanks Nells.

    I for one won’t cry if Ferk signs with the Braves. 3-4 years is a long time for a guy with a bad back, and honestly we don’t need Blake and Ferk blocking DeJesus and Hu. That said, DeJesus and Hu are two of the only tradeable commodities left, unless of course you’re planning on trading MLK, Dre or DeWitt.

    I find it interesting though that Bowa really wanted DeWitt playing third, Torre wants pitching, and we really need a viable SS for a year or two, and all Ned ends up doing is getting Blake to keep DeWitt from playing third, and Loretta. Is any one of the three stooges + 1 on the same page? Hell, let’s sign a couple more PVL infielders and let Loretta play short. At this point, who cares? Even though I’m OK with him playing as far as that goes, Cabrera isn’t worth the two draft picks to sign.

    If Frank had purchased Boston rather than L.A. and it was Boston looking like we do now, we’d all get a good chuckle and probably some perverse pleasure out of watching it.

    I can only surmize that other cities are doing that with us right now…

  50. trublu4ever

    Good morning Enchanted. Right now, I don’t really care where Furcal decides to play. Wishing for the signing of players to make our team better seems like a pipe dream. I guess when the season starts, we will be a mediocre team in a lousy division. So, if Frank wants to build a winning team, he sure has fooled me. I’ll still root for Andre, Matt, James and Russell because I want them to do well and believe it or not, I am a Dodger fan.

  51. j-murray

    The Atlanta Braves have reached preliminary agreement on a multiyear contract with free agent shortstop Rafael Furcal, a baseball source told’s Jerry Crasnick.

    NOOOOOOO! lowe, furcal, saito, and potentially manny! i really hope colletti has something up his sleeve. i’m not sure i’m prepared to stomach watching hu and andruw play everyday. at least mccheap can’t say his resources will be stretched so far the dodgers can’t sign manny. we’ve still got quite a bit to work with.

  52. enchantedbeaver

    Who knows Tru. Maybe Frank will have the last laugh when many of the other franchises go under because of the financial crisis, and there’s Frank left standing because of prudent spending and the cunning and savvy deals that Ned’s put together…

    Its happening in a parallel universe right now.

  53. junkyardjamie

    Good Morning ITD readers and writers!!!!

    I don’t really have anything to add other than I thought the article last night was great too enchanted.

  54. kpookiemon

    The real bummer with Furcal leaving is that Ned, Joe and Frank will now look to Pierre as the quintessential lead-off geek. Heaven help L.A. I feel like the Dodgers never really had Furcal, and I can’t blame management for being queasy about a guaranteed, long-term deal. Maybe this will kick-start Manny’s return. As for shortstop…………..I think I’d rather see Berroa than Cabrera, simply because of the comfort level…and Angel seemed to get better when Manny arrived. Speaking of Manny, I believe it’s either the Dodgers or Yankees. Not to be a racist, slime-ball, conspiratorial pig, but why in the world would Manny want to sign with a team that plays behind the Orange Curtain, if you get my drift? So please, Frank…………………SIGN MANNY. NOW!!!!

  55. trublu4ever

    According to Mike, the Angels would love to have Manny. “We have given our best shot at landing Tex, so if that doesn’t work out, who knows?” That’s just great news. So, no Furcal and no Manny and no pitching on the horizon……..I’d say we are in a real pickle.

  56. dodger 32

    The Dodgers are being made into the Royals. Manny will sign elsewhere ,and we can kiss this season goodbye. The only bright side to this season is maybe with a mediocre team Franks attendence will drop and he’ll be forced to sell to someone who can actually afford to own a team!


    Kemp for Wilson seems fair. Then slide Pierre into leadoff and LF and Jones in CF. Perfect.

    The royals dobn’t blab about having the best fans in the world that deserve a world Champion and about how they will do whatever it takes etc…Sell the frakeing team already. u made your profits. move on i hate you.

  58. junkyardjamie

    I just received a text message stating ~ The Braves and Furcal just agreed to terms on a three-year contract with a vesting option for the 2012 season.

  59. dodgereric

    Good morning ITD.

    The handwriting is on the wall now.

    There is no chance whatsoever that Boras will allow Ramirez to sign a deal before Tex does. That’s what’s going to drive Manny’s salary up.

    If Tex signs with the Angels, we might have a shot at Manny. But only if someone shoots the lock off of McCourt’s wallet.

    If Tex signs with the Yanks, I see the Angels making a big, quick offer for Manny.

    If Tex signs with the Red Sox, I see the Yanks throwing big money Manny’s way to one-up the BoSox.

    In neither of the last two scenarios do I see McCourt outbidding anyone.

    And with Jones performing down to his new standard of excellence in Winter Ball………

    Joe: They say we’re old and we can’t see
    Anything good about walks or OBP.
    Juan: Well I don’t care if all that’s true
    ‘Cause you got me, and baby I got you
    Juan: Babe
    Both: I got you babe I got you babe

    Joe: They say our love won’t win no games
    But I don’t care if we go down in flames.
    Juan: I guess that’s so, I don’t care either
    as long as I get to start instead of Ethier

    Juan: Babe
    Both: I got you babe I got you babe

    Juan: I got 8….point 8 mil, and I put you…. in my will.
    Joe: And when I’m sad, you’re a clown
    And if I get scared, you’re always around
    Joe: So let them say your hat’s too big
    ‘Cause I don’t care, let them call me pig
    Juan: Then put your little hand in mine
    There ain’t no hill or mountain we can’t climb

    Juan: Babe
    Both: I got you babe I got you babe

    Juan: I got you to write my name
    Joe: I got you to lead the game
    Juan: I got you to pull up my socks
    Joe: I got you to take me on walks

    Both: I got you babe

    I really, really, really, really, really hope I’m wrong.

    Sell the team, McCourt. Go away, and never come back.

  60. Dodger4life

    Good Morning All,
    It is nice to smile and chuckle in the morning.
    Life is good today 🙂
    BRING BACK THE BLUE CREW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    GO DODGER’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  61. mccheap

    ok so now we need a left fielder, shortstop, a lead off hitter, some bullpen help and starting seems like we need almost an entire team. I wonder what ned and Mccourt are thinking, don’t be surprise if Angels sign Manny….but as long as we keep on giving away money to mccourt nothing will change

  62. dodger 32

    It seems like Ned and Franks plan is to just bring in living bodied players with no mind as to whether they will win or not. It also helps if they’re cheap or old. Sell the team Frank.

  63. kpookiemon

    Play Hu at short (cheap, great glove, so-so bat) and sign Manny (expensive, so-so glove, Hall-of-Fame bat). Come on McCourt, either act like this is the L.A. Dodgers or go away, like everyone has been ranting.

  64. enchantedbeaver

    I’m going to start the NO JACK WILSON society now. Just let Hu and DeJesus battle it out in ST and may the best man win. I’d much rather support them than another rotten player with a JP OBP.

  65. enchantedbeaver

    Opening Day 2009:
    LF – Juan Pierre
    C – Russ Martin
    RF – Matt Kemp
    CF – Andruw Jones
    1B – James Loney
    3B – Casey Blake
    2B – Blake DeWitt
    SS – Chin-lung Hu
    P – Chad Billingsley

    Book it.

  66. enchantedbeaver

    We talked about a salary cap – I doubt Frank could cover the salary MINIMUM if they had a cap.

    Now don’t get me wrong. CC 7 years @ $161 mil – No Way. Ferk guaranteed 3 years + option – No Way. Manny 4-5 years – No Way. BUT, had the D’s moved on these three immediately with decent proposals, could things have been different?

    Also, why always do we have to shop the bargain basement? It’ll be pointed out that we have gotten “premier” FAs in the past. But I don’t think we can look at JP, Jones and Schmidt as fitting in that catagory. A pitcher we knew was lame, a power hitter probably on the downslide from clear & cream withdrawals, and a speedster that’s been on the decline since 2003. I’ll say Ferk was a premier player when he signed. OK he got hurt, it happens. Ned got lucky with Nomar I. Tomko, Nomar II, etc. etc., strictly thrift store material. And we’ll be right back there again looking to fill out the pitching staff, SS and bench.

    I just don’t see how you can charge premium dollar like a big market club, then not deliver a premium product. Either put a REAL contending team together or lower prices. I realize any stadium renovations, upkeep, retro-fitting comes straight out of Frank’s pocket. But if you can’t pay 2-3 premium players, you sure as hell don’t need to spend a bazillion dollars on a green girdle.

    I’d be a much happier camper if Frank said, hey we want to rebuild through our farm system exclusively and the money we’re saving these next two years will be used to retain these same players when they become free agents. He says that right now and I lay off and can accept and respect that. What I don’t like is all the BS and name dropping of players he knows he’s not even going to make a real attempt to acquire.

    All I ask is that you just come clean Frank.

    Oh and of course, FIRE NED.

  67. junkyardjamie

    Our facilities manager just came through my room. He points to my Dodger Wall, and says “You are going to have to take all of that down.” I give the look like “What in the hell”, and says, “Don’t worry, I was just kidding. I’m a Yankee fan.” I just started LMAO, and said “We are not happy with you right now.” He just smiled.

  68. junkyardjamie

    enchanted – I DON’T LIKE YOUR LINEUP!!!!!! I DON’T LIKE YOUR LINEUP!!!! I DON’T LIKE YOUR LINEUP!!!! (jk – sort of……LMAO)


    LF – Juan Pierre
    C – Russ Martin
    RF – Matt Kemp
    CF – Andruw Jones
    1B – James Loney
    3B – Casey Blake
    2B – Blake DeWitt
    SS – Chin-lung Hu
    P – Chad Billingsley

    Did u trade Ethier like they will most likey for some mid reliver.


    okay, so seriously.. we’re supposed to tolerate juan pierre leading off yet again?? only this time, it’s worse.. because before, we knew when raffy would get healthy, he’d take over.. but now, there’s no one to relieve us of our misery!!

    we knew one way or another we’d fine out about furcal today.. not quite the news i was hoping for.. i do want to say, no more orlando cabrera or jack wilson rumors.. just let hu or dejesus take over.. let them grow so we can see what we really have in them.. trust me ned, getting cabrera or wilson won’t guarantee us the world series =P


    Not signing Furcal does not bother me one bit. But what we will do because we didn’t sign Furcal has me shivering.


    I am saying it now just cause, but if we dont sign Manny and JP is leading off and Jones is in CF on opening day then I am done. Can you guys let me be done then?


    btw, anyone who is thinking about going to the new “under the lights” event.. Matt Kemp is still hosting, but now he’s joined by James Loney.. FYI

  74. trublu4ever

    Jungar ~ I don’t think you will be the only one done!!! If Ethier and/or Kemp are gone too, the stands will be barren.

  75. junkyardjamie

    No, jungar, you can’t be done. We have to be miserable together.

    Dodger4life – this Ethieraholic did not like that lineup. It really is “I Got You Babe” all over again. Bottoms up…….


    maybe if ALL of us on ITD went to “under the lights” they might have enough money to actually improve the team.. oh, wait, who are we kidding.. they’ll just build more dreamfields, not that i’m against them supporting the community.. but there has got to be a way to do both =P

    i think my biggest fear is that they will lowball russell, andre, etc during arbitration and lose them all to free agency in a couple years.. that would be the end.. literally the end.. PLEASE KEEP THE YOUNG CORE TOGETHER.. and not just while they’re all cheap.. but actually keep them together.. if you’re not capable of signing good free agents, then at least keep the studs you have in your grasp..


    The Dodgers are planning to pursue free agent Orlando Cabrera if they fail to re-sign Furcal. Cabrera, 34, hit .281 with eight home runs and 57 runs batted in this year with the Chicago White Sox. Cabrera’s agent, Dan Lozano, said that the Dodgers have expressed interest in his client.

    And yet they claim to go young. Go young my butt. We have two top prospects that are SS. Don’t LaRoache Hu Ned.

  78. mccheap

    you can count me in too..i’ve been a fan for 20 yrs..but if this nonsense continues i am not buying any tickets to go see the boys next year…my way of sticking it to Mccourt

  79. junkyardjamie

    Sara – I couldn’t agree more, but would you want to stay if you had to be in competition with Pierre and Jones again, and would you want to be a catcher on a team where you are assured no plays coming from left field as long as Pierre is out there. They better be paid very well to get them to stay or else if I were them, I would be looking for new homes too.

  80. enchantedbeaver

    Didn’t forget about Ethier everybody, but does anyone expect we won’t play Jones when he’s owed $21 million and is the “power bat” in the middle of the order? Won’t Borass have some sort of fit if Jones isn’t playing during a contract year. Is there anyone who’s stupid enough to take him off our hands?

    Torre will also be in panic mode when he doesn’t have a leadoff hitter. Not sure JoJo learned anything from last year having Kemp leadoff.

    Don’t worry, I’m sure Dre and Kemp will make a nice platoon.


    Keeping the young team together. I agree. But go all in. Don’t sign Blake. Don’t sign Cabrerra. Don’t sign anyone.


    thanks trublu, and dnelly.. i think we’re all fighting baseball depression a little bit here..

    they need to pony up to keep those boys.. we all know that.. they’re lucky that they only have 4 arbitration eligible players this year, and only 3 that are impact players (i love repko, but clearly they’re never going to give him an actual shot, they’ll jayson werth him).. guarantees at least an extra year with kemp and loney.. and a couple extra with dewitt.. barring any horrendous trades..

    i think we’ve all talked about having money set aside for these boys when it comes time to extend their contracts.. i just don’t know if mccourt is smart enough to have done that or cares enough to.. and i would HATE to find out in a couple years, that the only reason they stuck with the youth movement was because it was their cheapest option as opposed to actually believing in these guys as the face of the franchise..


    enchanted.. there are definitely people stupid enough to take jones off our hands.. but mccourt is not smart enough to do it.. paying most of his salary to be rid of him is a good move, but frank will see it as “losing money”

    jungar, too late for blake.. but i agree about cabrera


    after last year.. after the year before.. again and again.. how in the world do we keep ending up with a kemp and ethier platoon?? if that doesn’t tell you we’re not trying to be winners.. i don’t know what does..

  85. trublu4ever

    The Braves after offering Furcal a $30 million dollar deal want him to think about playing 2nd base……. and, the current 2nd baseman would move to the outfield. You see they already have a shortstop who they didn’t want to get rid of for Peavy. All I can say is, “Huh”?

  86. kpookiemon

    Reports that Rafael Furcal has decided to sign with the Atlanta Braves are premature, his agent Paul Kinzer said.

    “It’s not done yet, but if he chose right now, it would be Atlanta,” Kinzer said this morning at 9:52 a.m. Pacific time.

    Kinzer acknowledged that he told the Braves something similar last night.

    “We haven’t signed anything yet,” he said. “We haven’t had an agreement yet.”

    Kinzer said he plans to call the Dodgers today to offer them a final chance to re-sign Furcal. The Dodgers have offered the shortstop a two-year contract with a vesting option for a third year. The Braves’ offer is guaranteed for three years and includes a vesting option for a fourth.

    The Braves and the Dodgers are the only two teams Furcal is considering, according to Kinzer.

  87. enchantedbeaver

    Me thinks the Peavy deal will be on again Tru. At least it’ll get rid of 2-3 sure losses to the worst team in the NL.

    Encouraging news – when Jones actually HIT the ball last year, he batted .248.


    ooh, thanks for that kpookiemon.. i wonder if we ACTUALLY have a shot.. i doubt frank or ned ups their offer today though.. i do have to wonder why the braves would want raffy at second.. you do not put a cannon arm like his at second base..


    maybe they think they can curb injury if you don’t play him at short.. but i disagree.. middle infield, is middle infield..

  90. enchantedbeaver

    You know whether Ned signs or doesn’t sign Ferk, either way we’ll get burned. It’s Ned’s Law (its more powerful than Murphy’s.)

  91. scurtis1999

    If we sign OC. That will be the worst infield of all time with Blake, OC, DeWitt and Loney. Don’t get me wrong, I like Blake, Loney and DeWitt but Furcal was the mainstay at SS.

    This team has disaster written all over it for next year.

    We need a NEW OWNER and GM!

    Poor Torre!

  92. kpookiemon

    I say if Frank, Ned and Joe drop the ball on Furcal and Manny, then the Dodgers sign Bonds on the cheap and give a big middle finger to all of baseball!

    Kemp SS
    Ethier 3B
    Bonds 1B
    Jones 2B
    Loney LF
    Martin C
    Blake CF
    DeWitt RF
    Lasorda P

  93. enchantedbeaver

    Hey guys – I hear Loaiza’s available to shore up the pitching staff.

    Why is it I get the feeling that Eric, Nells and others are busily out there writing songs right now??

  94. junkyardjamie

    enchanted – I have so many songs in my head right now, it’s spinning, not to mention I am in a classroom full of wired 6 year olds who just want vacation to begin. BTW – I would have to assume you are doing the same – LMAO!!!!!

  95. dodgereric

    Guess who?
    Right on que…….

    We’ve paid our dues –
    Time after time –
    We’ve done our sentences
    But committed no crimes –
    And bad mistakes
    We’ve made a few
    We’ve had our share of sand kicked in our faces –
    But we’ve come through

    We are the Expos – my friends
    And we’ll need more Scope – we need to cleanse –
    We are the Expos –
    We are the Expos
    We’re now just losers
    ‘Cause we are the Expos – of the league

    Frank’s taken our team
    And all of its pride –
    And traded it all in for a marathon
    He’s always lied –

    It’s been no bed of roses
    No pleasure cruise –
    We demand that he sell us to somebody –
    Who don’t wanna lose –

    We are the Pirates – my friends
    And we’ll keep on losing – till the end –
    Frank is pathetic-
    We need anesthetic
    For we’ve become losers
    And we are the Clippers – of the world –

  96. junkyardjamie

    ….and there you go enchanted. It looks like Ward Dear was the first one out of the box. Fabulous job dear………LMAO!!!!!!!

  97. kpookiemon

    OK, enchanted GM

    I see a Dodger team and want it painted black
    No colors anymore I want them to turn black
    I see free agents walk and put on other clothes
    I have to turn my head until my darkness goes

    I see a line of cars and they’re all fifteen bucks
    With pennants and cheap beer both never to come back
    I see owners turn their heads and quickly look away
    Like a deer in headlights it just happens every day

    I look inside McCourt and see his heart is black
    I see my Dodger team and must have it painted black
    Maybe Frank’ll fade away and not have to face the fans
    It’s not easy facing up when they all hate your ***.

    No more will my Dodgers go turn a deeper blue
    I could not foresee this thing happening to you
    If I look hard enough into Frank’s beady eyes
    He’ll sell the team and flee before the morning comes.

  98. dodgereric

    I’ll second that one, rnapol!! I like that guy, he’s got a great name.

    And that’s one thing they manage to do right, sign old guys who can’t play anymore……

  99. mccheap

    starting lineup for “09”
    line up
    pierre – lf
    martin – catcher
    loney – first
    kemp rf
    jones – cf
    blake – 3b
    dewitt – 2nd
    hu – short



    back up catcher

    about two spaces left for good character vets…just what ned likes…as you can see this will be no better than a third place team…with a payroll of about 75 mil. Not counting the 35 mil coming off the books after this year, which will probably leave us with a 50 mil payroll by 2010…the writting is on the wall guys..=(…MCCOURT IS A CHEAP ASSSS…hope he or someone that knows him reads this blog

  100. junkyardjamie

    Boy!!! It got awfully quiet around here……….songwriters are busy, busy, busy…… We will be at 500 in no time.

  101. enchantedbeaver

    The Hollies – Carrie Anne:

    Doo doo doo-doo di di doo-doo doo
    Doo doo doo-doo di di doo-doo doo
    Hey, Franky Ma-a-a-an
    Hey, Franky Ma-a-a-an
    Frank’s just a tool his mind is simple
    Built him a parking lot, and needs him a girdle
    Just can’t play with bigger boys, gets rejects
    What’s the diff’rence it’s just fans your screwing
    Hey Franky Man
    Our team’s lame now, will anybody play?
    Hey Franky Man
    Our team’s lame now, who will you get to play?
    You said you’d bring a champ’yun to us
    Build us a winner, money spending
    Revenues dry up nonabating
    Its just your fan base dissipating
    You’re so, so like a loser to me
    (Oh like a loser to me )
    So, so like a loser to me
    (Like a loser to me)
    [steel drums]
    People live and learn but you’re an id-yut
    Take my advise sell, I won’t be a beetcher
    When your tenure’s over we’ll be happy
    As long as you’re going take ol’ Slappy
    Franky Man, Franky Man, Franky Ma-a-a-an

    Artist: Mr. Grinch
    CD: F.U. (Fans Union)
    ©NedCo Broken Records 2008

    NedCo – Never leaving our buddy’s behind.™

  102. obi_wen

    Dear Rafael Furcal,

    I sincerely hope that you will resign with the Dodgers. However, if you decide to sign with the Braves, will you do us a favor and take your Andruw Jones back with you? We would be ever so grateful .



  103. junkyardjamie

    Oh My!!!!!!!!!!!!! enchanted LMAO!!!!!!! ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!! Enchanted Master you are!!!!!!!!!!

    gotta love the by line too…………

  104. j-murray

    j-murray’s projected 2009 starting line up.
    pierre-LF, cabrera-SS, loney-1B, worthless sack of crap-CF, martin-C, kemp-RF, blake-3B, dewitt-2B, billingsley-P…….i can see it now. i turn my tv on just in time to vomit all over my lap. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, NED, DON’T LET THIS LINEUP HAPPEN.

  105. dodgereric

    This is so theraputic……..

    Enchanting, enchanted!!! “NedCo – Never leaving our buddy’s behind.™” Corporate offices in San Francisco, no doubt. Not that there’s anything wrong with that…….

    39 more songs to 500.

    Obi, we want Furc to re-sign but we want Frank to resign. English is an interesting language.

  106. trublu4ever

    Wow ~ i go and run some errands and you guys simply rocked while I was gone. Great job by all of you!!! It’s amazing how the ineptness of our management has brought out the best song writing by everyone. if things keep up this way, we will hit 500 by the end of the month!!

  107. junkyardjamie

    rnapol – you were posting on Andre’s blog back when the Phillies Phans crashed our sites, yes? Welcome to ITD!!!!!

  108. dishguy

    Quick question for everyone: with so many teams selling out and changing their uniforms regularly and adding the fad color of the year like teal, black, etc.

    Would the Dodgers ever change their classic uniforms with Blue, White and Red numbers? Would they ever change their classic hat…the best looking hat in all of sports?

    Call me paranoid, but I would hate the team to change the on-field colors or basic look. I know there have been subtle changes over the years, but the basic look and colors have stayed the same. And many Dodgers gear sold to fans have the new fad colors, but I would be devastated if there was ever a change to the on-field look.

  109. enchantedbeaver

    Well dish in keeping with tradition, I heard Frank’s going to go to stylized all capital letters, red with a blue outline…

  110. trublu4ever

    Dishguy ~ I, for one, would be devastated if the Dodgers ever changed their uniforms. The way things are going this year, though, who knows what the heck Frank will do.

  111. northstateblues



    Can the McCourts afford tickets back to Boston? Can the McCourts afford tickets to Barstow? Can the McCourts afford to print tickets this year?

    Josh is right, the team is far from a finished product. But while Ned’s holding his breath, all the finishing pieces are going fast, and now we’re in the hunt for PVL’s.

    Why does this remind me of Mega Maid’s vacuum?

  112. jhallwally

    Hey Gang!!! I’ve been very busy traveling and doin’ some chillin’!! Hope everyone of you are doing well and enjoying this holiday season. Guess I’m happy we inked Blake for 3rd. DeWitt at 2nd with Loretta backing up is not a bad move. Still would love to see if Nediot can unload Phew. LOL!!! Some things never change, eh?!!! Ferk thing is still up in the air I guess. Can’t believe the ingrate wants 4-5 years guaranteed. Unacceptable. We basically got 1 maybe 1 1/2 good years out of his 3 year deal. It’s funny, that now he is off in free agency and doesn’t feel a bit like he let us down. Just go for the money.

  113. enchantedbeaver

    We’ve missed your tell it like it is style on here jhall. Thought maybe you’ve been stuck in a snow drift somewhere.

  114. jhallwally

    LOL!! Yep, we’ve had snow and ice. Really sucks!!!! Needed a little break from the Frank and Furter insanity. It is just so frustrating.

  115. junkyardjamie

    It’s jhall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How have you been, other than cold? It’s good to see you my friend 🙂

  116. jhallwally

    Hey Beav, interesting that we are not the professionals here, but we would have fared much better these past 2-3 years than Nediot. Coincidence, I think not.

  117. junkyardjamie

    Trying times – no kidding!!!! I think this hot stove season is worse than last. We are right back with the same issues we had last winter, but with Andruw smack dab in the middle of it as well. All the talk about Ethier sitting is exactly mirror image of last December.

  118. trublu4ever

    Wow ~ I can’t believe you’re here, Jhall! Nelly and I were just talking about you earlier………were kind of worried. It’s really good to see you, sir!

  119. phan52

    Don’t worry enchanted. Chan Ho will be nothing but a bridge to the back of the bullpen on days when the starters struggle. Depth, that’s all, which ain’t a bad thing.

  120. trublu4ever

    Happy Holidays to you too, Jhall!
    And, Phan, it’s nice of you to come to ITD and try to help us make it from #3 blog to #1!

  121. enchantedbeaver

    Yeah but Phan, an old flyball pitcher in your ballpark? I predicted here he won’t last the year in Philly. I just think your team could’ve done just as well or better for the money with someone else.

    What happened to our team you ask? The three stooges – Frank, Ned and Joe.


    For his career, he’s hitting .286 with 28 home runs, 74 RBI, and a .399 on-base percentage in 103 postseason games, but since 2003, when he first went to the postseason with the Red Sox, Ramirez is hitting .347 in 51 postseason games, with 15 home runs, 48 RBI and a .452 on-base percentage.

    that’s just absurd.

  123. junkyardjamie

    LMAO!!!! I was just reading what I had missed. Phan 52, like enchanted said, you are reaching high at the AAA status if things go like we think. How are you doing these days in Philly? I guess we have football in common – both of our teams suck in our division. Redskins losing to the Bengals is enough for me to say – “I think our season is over” LOL!!!

  124. junkyardjamie

    Wally – Life is good these days. I am just trying to get through the next few days with 20 hyper 6 year olds. There’s just been alot of down time because they are not teachable at this stage in the holiday season so it’s just a matter of maintaining some sort of control with some fun stuff thrown in there. The laughing from reading ITD has definitely helped.

  125. trublu4ever

    Pretty soon the laughing will turn into crying. Oh, wait, we’ve been doing that already……, the next logical step would be to drink a lot………then the pain won’t matter so much.

  126. enchantedbeaver

    I’d really like to know how much of this team is due to Ned’s incompetence and how much is due to Frank tying his hands. You think JoJo misses the Yankees even more now?

    How are they going to spin this years team? – We’ll be really competitive within the National League teams based in Southern California…

  127. phan52

    Philly’s good, nelly. Still coming down from the parade.
    And I have to disagree about my Eagles. They’ve won three in a row and if they win out, they probably make the playoffs. Nobody will want to play them in January.

  128. junkyardjamie

    Good evening Amy!!!!!

    enchanted – it kind of makes you wondee. aybe all those songs we wrote about Ned should now be changed to Frank.

  129. junkyardjamie

    redpen – wonder, not wondee – LMAO!!!!!!! ….and to think I haven’t even had anything to drink………yet 🙂 I have literally been laughing all day – LOL!!!!

  130. enchantedbeaver

    • Teixeira decision likely coming soon
    • Braves expecting to re-sign Furcal
    • Ibanez inks three-year pact with Phillies
    • Dodgers host holiday ham giveaway

  131. amyw27

    Enchanted dear… thanks for keeping us laughing!
    Tru- we can make it through the winter. I just want to get back to the stadium. Warm weather and Dodger baseball 🙂 good times

  132. enchantedbeaver

    Probably not even a real ham, but a pressed pork product (lips and @%#%@!!^ – just like the front office.)

  133. amyw27

    Tru- that is why we are friends. I absolutely hate being cold. in every sense. Give me flip flops, tank tops and Dodger baseball!!!

  134. junkyardjamie

    jungar – now I know that’s not true – LMAO!!!!!! I still can’t believe I fell for the last one. However, if that were only true jungar, it would be a very good Christmas gift for the Dodger fans.

  135. Dodger4life

    Music is good 🙂
    GO DODERLYRIC’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    GO DODGER’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  136. junkyardjamie

    Sorry, in my present state at school, it’s all about Christmas music and “Take Me Out to the Ballgame”, and I would hate to take that sacred baseball song and turn it into a ITD song. Some songs are just untouchable and that’s one of them. Also, I have a song about a chicken stuck in my head which would make a great song, but I can’t get past the visual of actually Frank/Ned being the chicken. Anyhow, so I am left with the myriad of Christmas songs that I am entrenched in every day at school. However, I must say, this is one of my favorites, and it fits our owner pretty well. Also, thank you northstateblues for the help on a word 🙂 Here is the youtube link because if you don’t know the song, it’s not just one voice.

    Song : Cheap Miser
    Original Song: Snow Miser (there is the Heat Miser too)
    From the Children’s movie: The Year Without a Santa

    I’m mister cheap miser
    I’m mister show
    I’m mister blue miser
    I’m mister “I don’t know”
    Fans call me cheap miser
    Whatever I touch
    Turns to crap in my clutch
    I’m too much!

    Frank’s mister cheap miser
    He’s all show
    Frank’s mister blue miser
    He’s mister “I don’t know”

    Fans call me cheap miser
    Whatever I touch
    Turns to crap in my clutch

    He’s too much!!

    I never want to see a player
    Who’s under the age of thirty
    I’d rather have them forty
    Fifty, sixty and get them freeeeeeeeeeee

    He’s mister cheap miser
    He’s mister show

    That’s right!

    He’s mister blue miser
    He’s mister I don’t know

    Fans call me cheap miser
    What ever I touch
    Turns to crap in my clutch
    …too much.

    Too Much!

  137. junkyardjamie

    I told you I had been thinking about that song since the Christmas season started. “Sic em on a Chicken” is still bringing up the visual though – LMAO!!!!!!

  138. dodgereric

    Hiya gang!

    June Darlin’, great song! You might want to have a look at our blog. Thanks to Mark’s help @ MLBlogs, I was able to get the top 100 logo on there.

    I also goofed around with the fonts a little. What do you guys think about how they look?

  139. junkyardjamie

    Good Evening Ward Dear……..thanks, and I will check out the site right now……..our son, Wally, was home for a little while. It was good to see him 🙂 How was your evening. Did you have scouts tonight?

  140. dodgereric

    Right back atcha D4!

    Yeah, so I saw! Too bad I missed good ol’ Wally. I really enjoy the banter when we’re all ogether.

    Troop Christmas party tonight. Philipino food by someone who really knows how to make it!

  141. junkyardjamie

    We have a group on our missions team that go over there for a medical trip every February and they always have a dinner, along with selling their famous lumpias. Fantastic food I must say…. 🙂

  142. junkyardjamie

    So, you do think Furcal is going to be with the Braves? I am really confused by this whole thing, or is that the point to make us confused. I even got text messages throughout the day saying it was a done deal. He was now with the Braves.

  143. dodgereric

    It seems he has two agents, one in LA and one in Atlanta. The only thing for sure is that they seem to be doing a good job of keeping the negotiating going.

  144. enchantedbeaver

    Just a little Christmas carol before bedtime – Sleigh Ride.

    Just hear that coin purse jinglin’
    Pennies clinkin’ one-two
    Come on, its time we’re drinkin’
    Cuz our team be a stinkin’ P.U.
    Outfield has Pierre lurkin
    So Dre they’ll be a jerkin’ boo-hoo
    Come on it’s time we’re drinkin’
    Cuz our team be a stinkin’ P.U.
    Jonsey up, Jonsey up, Jonesy up
    He blow, should be a freak show
    We’re gonna get another older crow
    Pony up, Pony up, Pony up
    We’re sad, our team is so bad
    We’re plodding along, Ned’s all wrong
    Just a Gnat from ol’ fairy land (not that there’s anything wrong with that)
    Frank’s checks are nonexistent
    From all his resistance its true
    We’re growing old together
    Cuz our birds of a feather are glue
    Let’s take the time to notice
    A rousing chorus of boos
    But hey our team got betta
    Cuz Ned got us Loretta woo-hoo
    There’s a cocktail party
    At the Yankees office now
    But we’re not invited cuz we still have got The Cow
    They’ll be fielding the kinda
    Line-up that we all would like to see
    But Frank won’t spend and so our
    bubble pops. Pop! Pop! Pop!
    It’s a happy feeling
    knowing players money buys
    But when Ned negociates it’s
    Just that nothing flies
    It’ll nearly be like a museum
    ‘Round third base and at short
    Don’t forget we spent thirty-six
    For a golf ball size of wart
    Frank’s checks are nonexistant
    From all his resistance its true
    We’re growing old together
    Cuz our birds of a feather are glue
    Let’s take the time to notice
    A rousing chorus of boos
    Come on it’s time we’re drinkin’
    Cuz our team be a stinkin’ P.U.

    In the words of Tiny Ned – “ Free agents shun us – every one! “

  145. junkyardjamie

    Okay, we will let your mind rest for the evening, if that is even possible. Good Night enchanted!!!! Another fabulous day from the master song writer. Take care and God Bless

  146. Dodger4life

    Good Night and God-Bless ITD, Dodgerfaithful,
    365 DAY’S A YEAR
    7 DAY’S A WEEK
    24 HOUR’S A DAY
    GO DODGER’S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  147. junkyardjamie

    Good Night Ward Dear……..God Bless to you and yours!!!!

    Good Night ITD readers and writers!!!!!

  148. enchantedbeaver

    Some more morning Christmas cheer. I think someone has done this song, so my apologies – I don’t like to duplicate efforts, but it kinda just wrote itself: Winter Wonderland

    Cell phones ring, no one’s ansrin’
    In New York, fans are dancin’
    No players in sight
    We’re bitchin’ tonight
    Watchin’ Ned & Franky’s blunderland
    On the grass, there’ll be old turrds
    In the stands, they’ll be boo birds
    Gone are the days
    Of our winning ways
    Watchin’ Ned & Franky’s blunderland
    Out in center we’ve got us a dough man
    Let’s pretend that he is Manny Ram
    He’ll say, “can you pay me?”
    We’ll say, “No Man.”
    “But you can hand out hams when you’re in town.”
    Later on, we’ll conspire
    How to get Nedster fired
    Our teams in a plight
    There’s no hope in sight
    Watchin’ Ned & Franky’s blunderland
    Out in leftfield we’ll watch lil’ Juanpy
    And on the rail an aged circus clown
    Won’t get many hits from lil’ Juanpy
    But he’s the fastest veteran around

    When we lose, ain’t too thrillin’
    But with the dough, Frank ain’t willin’
    We’ll struggle to play, the old Dodger way
    Watchin’ Ned & Franky’s blunderland

    In the words of Frooge – “every Dodger fan who goes about with “free agent” upon his lips should be boiled with his won pudding, and buried with a stake of holly through his heart. He should!”

  149. junkyardjamie

    Good Morning ITD readers and writers!!!!!

    enchanted ~ thank you, and once again, your mind is at work early this morning with another fantastic song – Spectacular!!!! Let’s see what the good people from the Los Angeles Dodgers has for us today. I guess we wait and see what happens to Tex, I am assuming, and then the dominoes will fall for sure. The question will be “where are those dominoes going to fall?”


    Where is the news on Furcal. I thought we would have signed him this morning. We sign Furcal and Manny is next. That would make my christmas. We need a good pitcher and we are set to roll. If Atlanta wants an x-Brave, let them have Andruw back.


    Good morning nelly. The Cowboys looked good in beating up on the Giants. I think the Redskins will be watching the play-offs from home. Better luck next year. Dallas may be there also, unless they win their next 2 games, something they don’t usually do in December.

  152. junkyardjamie

    Good Morning/afternoon Boblee – All I have to say is……thanks. I was pretty upset after losing to the Bengals, but I am over it. We lost to two of the worst teams in football (Rams, too). However, I can always hope the Chargers (my #2 team) does something. I just hope your team is sitting on the couch during the playoffs too (jk) LOL!!! It’s good seeing you. As far as Furcal……who knows? ……………obviously we don’t 🙂


    good morning~

    did you guys see the article on the homepage about raffy? well, slipped in that article was this line:

    “But ownership also has sounded warnings about the potential for the nation’s recession to impact revenues.”

    so basically, frank isn’t going to pay for us to have a decent team because he is predicting his future revenues may decrease.. the ironic thing is that if he doesn’t field a quality team, then his revenues will decrease because of that, but he’ll think he was genius for predicting it 😛

  154. junkyardjamie

    This is just sad Sara, just very sad. I have to go practice for our winter program, but I am sure that statement will bring out the rest of our ITD faithfuls very shortly 🙂 I hope you are having a good day 🙂

  155. dodgereric

    Thank you sara, for that wonderful lead-in!

    With apologies to writers Steve “Jack” Rollins and Steve Nelson and the voice of Mr Gene Autry I give you


    Frankie the Cheapskate was a jolly happy soul,
    With a empty wallet and a Cheshire smile
    And two eyes made out of coal.

    Frankie the Cheapskate is a fairy tale, they say,
    He was from the east but they threw him out
    Now he’s here to ruin our day.

    There must have been some reason that they let him buy our team.
    For when they placed it in his hands
    He began to plot and scheme.

    O, Frankie the Cheapskate is as smooth as he can be,
    He will tell you that he wants to win
    Just as long as it’s for free.

    Thumpetty thump thump,
    Thumpety thump thump,
    Look at Frankie go.
    Thumpetty thump thump,
    Thumpety thump thump,
    How much does he owe?

    Frankie the Cheapskate says, “It’s the kids we want to play”
    So he said, “Let’s run and we’ll have some fun
    Just as long as I don’t pay.”

    Down at the ballpark, with the media in his hand,
    Running here and there all around the square saying,
    “Manny is the Man”.

    He led them down the streets of gold like most good fantasies.
    “I cannot pay him what he wants.”
    And then raises all the fees.

    For Frankie the Cheapskate had to hurry on his way,
    He said, “It’s no con, I know what’s going on,
    What’s the LA Marathon?”

    Thumpetty thump thump,
    Thumpety thump thump,
    Look at Frankie go.
    Thumpetty thump thump,
    Thumpety thump thump,
    We need to overthrow.

  156. dodgereric

    Now this:

    “In the latest twist in the saga of the Rafael Furcal negotiations, Furcal’s agent, Paul Kinzer, told reporters in New York today, “Right now I think things are swinging back toward the Dodgers, probably.”

    This will come as news to the Braves, who believed they had a “gentleman’s agreement” with Furcal on Tuesday. But that was before Furcal and his people started speaking again to the Dodgers.

    Should Furcal actually go to the Dodgers, the Braves are not likely to take that well.

    Kinzer was speaking at the Mets press conference to introduce recently-signed closer Francisco Rodriguez, another client of his.”

    REACTION: Anyone who doesn’t see this as just another ploy to get more moolah from Atlanta is kidding themselves.


    eric, i agree about the getting more from atlanta thing.. i would have to say it’s tragic that the only mention of us in major free agent negotiations is to bait the other team..

  158. amyw27

    I just want Furcal to be a Dodger and for all the little kids at the stadium to proudly wear their #15 jerseys! We can’t even sign our own players anymore.

  159. enchantedbeaver

    At this point, does anyone care about these mercinaries anymore? Ferk makes 39 million for a year and a half of work. 20 mil a years not enough for Manny, so he tanks it to get out of his options in Boston. Schmidt had to know he was hurt but takes 47 million anyway. Ditto with Jones.

    Honestly, the only one I have any respect for is JP. At least he wants to play everyday to earn his money and not sit on the bench.

  160. northstateblues

    So Frank is the all-powerful all-wise Carnac when it comes to national economics? Wonder how many of the young guns will end up in pinstripes within the next 5 years when he decides that he likes keeping money more than spending it on players.

    I remember this happening in L.A. before with another blue team… not the same way, but the same results… hopefully it won’t be the same end result, thought my girlfriend heard some pretty interesting conspiracy theories last night in my post-semester drinkiness discerned from looking at the most-recent AAA Los Angeles Freeway System map.

    C’mon Dodgers, give me something to be optimistic about besides laundry 🙂

  161. northstateblues

    Referring to this Seinfeld quote, by the way:

    “Loyalty to any one sports team is pretty hard to justify. Because the players
    are always changing, the team can move to another city, you’re actually rooting
    for the clothes when you get right down to it. You know what I mean, you are
    standing and cheering and yelling for your clothes to beat the clothes from
    another city. Fans will be so in love with a player but if he goes to another
    team, they boo him. This is the same human being in a different shirt, they
    *hate* him now. Boo! different shirt!! Boo.

    the label maker, fellas, the label maker.”

  162. enchantedbeaver

    I do have to laugh though when that video comes up on the home page and you hear Rick Monday say that Ned made “significant progress” during the winter meetings.

    If Blake and Loretta are “significant progress”, we’re in for a VERY long season.

  163. junkyardjamie

    Ward Dear…………………..JUST A REMARKABLE SONG!!!!!!!

    nsblues – thanks for the quote!!! Classic!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  164. dodgereric

    Thank you e and Junie!

    Let’s talk about the Yankees some more:

    “Mayor Bloomberg’s aides secretly pressured city tax assessors to inflate the value of land under the new Yankee Stadium so the team could qualify for nearly $1 billion in tax-free bonds, city e-mails show. In March 2006, the city’s chief tax assessor put the market value for the stadium site at $27 million, far lower than the Yankees wanted. A Finance Department official ordered him to redo the report. Within hours, he jacked up it up to $204 million. The bombshell e-mails raise a big question: Did city officials violate state law, which requires uniform valuation methods for all properties? “This is the smoking gun,” said Assemblyman Richard Brodsky, who has spearheaded a state probe into the stadium deal. “The professionals did their job. The political appointees then ordered them to change the assessment – and they did.” Bloomberg aides have told a state Assembly committee and a House of Representatives subcommittee they did nothing improper.”


    Furcal wants to be a Dodger, and Ned is prepared to match Atlanta’s offer of 3/30 mil with option for a fourth. Furcal wants to be a Dodger, he gets points from me for that, but his history of injury worries me, but it didn’t worry Oakland and Atlanta, two very well run teams.

  166. junkyardjamie

    I tell you what Ward Dear….. I was talking to my custodian this morning about the Yankees because he had to deal with our facilities manager who is a Yankee fan. Their fans are just as bad as they are. They think this is wonderful what they are doing ~acquiring all these players because they can. Maybe it’s just jealousy to a point. If we had an owner who could afford our team, I guess we wouldn’t care.

  167. enchantedbeaver

    If they do manage to sign Raffy, which one is gone – Hu or DeJesus? – they have to come up with some type of pitching.

  168. dodgereric

    I still like the idea of Juan Cruz for the pen, but I haven’t heard anything about what he might want. He made just under $2 mil last season and I think this is his first shot at free agency.

  169. dodgereric

    LOL! I suppose it would be endless if we used Ned’s list, which is in reverse order from everyone else’s.

    A while back I floated Oliver Perez out there. Someone reacted violently to it (was it og?), but his numbers aren’t much off Ben Sheets’.

  170. dodgereric

    And I still like the idea of getting Hoffman, if his demands aren’t too unreasonable. Of course, your and my ‘unreasonable’ are a lot different than McCheap’s.

  171. enchantedbeaver

    I’m good with Perez. I suppose Garland could eat up some innings, but why does the name Dave Goltz come to mind there? I do vehemently say no to Johnson and Pettitte though.

  172. dodgereric

    Sure! Mine’s not bald, but I always wondered why she’d never buy me a ChiaPet for Christmas. Those things look awfully familiar on TV………..

  173. enchantedbeaver

    WE GOT EM!!!
    LOS ANGELES – The Dodgers have scheduled a news conference for 3:00 Pacific Time when its expected Frank McCourt will announce that in addition to the hams, they’re also now handing out yams. Though very hush-hush both Frank and Jamie McCourt were all smiles when they quipped, “What’s the main course without a side dish?” Though unofficial, inside sources say that its also possible that they’ll be handing out scented towels as well.
    Its not expected that these additional costs will increase ticket prices more than 30%.

  174. junkyardjamie

    I read the first line, and fell for it……….just terrible I say – LMAO!!!!! I am guessing a little higher than the third floor – LMAO!!!!

  175. enchantedbeaver

    Aw hell Nells, can’t go by me – I’m always the last to know anything… I just heard McKinley was shot.

  176. junkyardjamie

    I heard this morning that my brother’s wife may have went into labor. She is having twins, and they live here in town. I heard that through my daughter this morning from a text message. So, I might be an auntie to twin girls in a matter of hours, days, etc.

  177. junkyardjamie

    …….nevermind, it was a false alarm. I just called to make sure, and trublu said she was baby sitting my nephew that’s why she hasn’t been on ITD.


    One official involved in the Rafael Furcal negotiations drew this comparison. “First, Furcal was dating the A’s,” the official said. “Then, on Monday night, he got engaged to the Braves. And now, the ex-husband — the Dodgers — has come back into the picture.”

    ex- HUSBAND?? weird analogy 😛


    Now, it seems as if Furcal is headed somewhere for $30 million over three years. “If this keeps dragging out,” the official joked, “he might get $1 on a non-guaranteed contract.”

    frank, if it’s $1.. do you think you might be able to afford it?


    buster olney’s thoughts on why the furcal negotiations have been so rocky..

    Now, there might be a very good explanation for all this. Here are three possibilities, not all of them good.

    1. Because of Furcal’s extensive injury history — he’s missed about 150 games over the past two seasons — his representatives are assuming nothing about whether he will pass a physical examination and are working diligently to create a landing place in the event Furcal’s deal with the Braves dissolves because doctors in Atlanta don’t like what they see.

    2. The Dodgers were under the impression Monday afternoon that the offer they had to beat was four years and $40 million from the Athletics — which turned out to be $2 million more than what Oakland had proposed — and they retreated from the field.

    L.A. might have been surprised, then, to learn Tuesday that the deal Furcal seemed to be settling on was three years and $30 million, with a vesting offer for a fourth year contingent on whether Furcal plays in 132 games the third year. This is much closer to the two years and vesting option the Dodgers had discussed and back within range of what they are willing to pay. The Dodgers might have re-engaged at that point, and indeed, Dylan Hernandez reports that they increased their offer Tuesday.

    3. Furcal might be sincerely conflicted about what he wants to do. He could go back to Atlanta, where he broke into the big leagues, but as Peter Gammons reported Tuesday night, he might have to shift to second base, with Yunel Escobar remaining at shortstop. It might be that he has wanted to remain with the Dodgers all along, and now that their offer might be comparable to what the Braves have proposed, he’s having second thoughts.


    minor news:

    First Chan Ho Park, now Terry Tiffee! The Phillies have signed Tiffee to a minor-league contract with an invitation to spring training. The Pacific Coast League batting champion was able to parlay his efforts into six games and four at-bats with the division champion Dodgers last season.

  182. northstateblues

    Sara, for some reason, those analogies about the dating and ex-husbands gave me the image of Ned holding up a 1985 boombox blasting Peter Gabriel’s “In Your Eyes” outside Raffy’s bedroom window after it was reported he was a Brave on ESPN

  183. scurtis1999


    Just got this off rotoworld:

    Sources told’s Ken Rosenthal that Rafael Furcal has decided to re-sign with the Dodgers.
    That’s where he’ll be happiest, apparently, even though he still has a home in Atlanta. The Dodgers are fortunate to have him back, especially if it’s just for two guaranteed seasons. Dec. 17 – 5:20 pm et

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