Now that was a weekend I’d like to quickly forget…there’s nothing more that can be said on that front. Three runs in three days won’t get it done, no matter how good our pitching can be, so let’s hope we can get well soon in Cincy before returning home.
Speaking of getting well soon, our sincere thoughts go out to former Dodger coach Preston Gomez, who celebrated his birthday yesterday in the hospital following a bad car accident earlier this month. Bill Plunkett, who used to cover the Dodgers for the OC Register and now covers the Angels, posted a blog about Preston yesterday with an update on his condition.
What the heck is this lineup, Nomar batting third.
This is really emabarassing. Kemp, Loney, and 18 million at the bottom of this lineup.
What in earth are we trying to stir up here.
I can’t bare to watch.
I just hope that the guys in the bottom of the lineup produce.
this has to be a joke… nomore batting three while two of our best if not our best hittier are six and seven… good lord… fire them all. noone knows what they are doing. nomore deserves a benching for his whole life. just pathetic.
desperation. 115 million worth of desperation.
Lineup is fine with me. Anything to get this damn offense going. I have a gut feeling we will come out of it in Cincy. It always seems like the Dodgers hit well there.
At least no Phew!!
It’s like Joe is picking names out of a hat to set the line-up. Maybe its part of the big picture….I don’t know…I just want to fast forward to the all-star break and maybe have a set lineup….frustrating
this lineup can’t produce much less than what it did yesterday. come on, dodgers. snap the hell out of it.
Nice lineup Grady!
The question is not, What did we Lose?
But What did we gain?
Did this young ballclub learn anything over this dreadful weekend?
Do they know where their problems lie?
wow…this will kill our running game with Nomas batting 3rd. Same way it killed it last year with Pierre batting second. Nomas is not patient enough to bat 3rd or anywhere in the top of the lineup. Plus he hardly had no spring training and he gets the 3rd spot over a guy who had a 15 game hitting streak.
Lets bat a guy batting 100 third. This has to be a joke right? I Thought Grady was gone, when did he come back? Lets bat Olmedo 4th, oh that’s right we already did that last year and he’s not here anymore. Too bad Nomore is still here. Play Dewitt.
I think we may set a major league record for most consecutive different lineups in a season. This aint spring training anymore JOe.
Unbelievable… Obviously Torre is still “getting to know the team.” FYI Joe: Nomar batted 3rd for the first 65 games last year.
Results: in 260 at bats he collected 13 extra base hits (1 HR). A slugging % of .335.
Let’s just put it this way….. Nothing else so far has worked!! It looks crazy, but who knows! I’m all for trying anything at this point.
Yep, nothing else has worked except Pirate pitching. WTF, over!!!
18 million hitting 8th and 9 million on the bench and another 15 on the DL. Bet you’re proud Ned.
Jon Weisman of Dodger Thoughts points out that Andruw Jones is actually the teams hottest hitter over the past week, based on OPS; his OBP is .435, second on the team behind Furcal, with a SLG% of .684. (BA is .316.) So, sure, #8 now makes sense.
Meanwhile, the guy who should still be on a rehab assignment with his healing hand is put into the #3 spot, which is simply preposterous.
I blame the wacky spring training schedule; that is not the time for barnstorming.
old fogey, You are adding fuel to the fire!
I appreciate that.
I’m sure I’m not the first one to mention it but I can’t help but wonder how much of the blame for our struggles offensively can be placed on Torre’s inconsistency with the lineup. Guys have no idea where they will be hitting on any given day or if they’ll be in the lineup at all.
We’re not even 20 games into the season and I bet we’ve used 15 different lineups.
Joe, how can you expect the players to perform consistently if you don’t do the same?
I don’t think the line up shuffle is as bad as some of you, I do however think Joe is a freaking moron for putting worthless in the 3 hole, the only place he is worth a crap is cleaning the seed shells and moping up the spit on the dugout floor!!! PLAY DEWITT
Dear Dodger Fans,
We know a thing or two more than any of you about leadership, consistency and integrity.
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The elusive max power has graced us with his presence, what’s up buddy, where have all of your witty posts been?
Did we bring Grady Little back and no one told me? What the heck is this? Nomar third! Loney and Jones 7th and 8th! I am beside myself. Why even play Nomar? DeWitt was doing just fine out there. Can’t we just stick with a set lineup and let these guys get comfortable. At least Willie Mays Hayes isn’t playing.
Pretty soon the local sheriff is going to rip that Joe Torre mask off Grady only to hear tell us that he would’ve gotten away with it if it weren’t for those meddling kids and their dog.
I’m only gonna do that dirty work for 3 scooby snacks!
I don’t even think Grady Little would of put a lineup like this.
I have to agree with some one else that said we are pulling names out of a hat.
WTF, it’s worth a shot. Defense at 2nd and 3rd scares me more than the batting order.
Today is game 19. Counting pitchers as all identical, only one batter order has been used as often as twice (17 orders in 18 games); I’m sure many would have a complaint about one particular spot:
For the twp league W-L leaders, Arizona has used 13 batting orders in 18 games, Boston 15 in 20. (Of course, with a DH, an AL time might be expected to have more.)
What defense at third jhall??????
Hu and DeWitt saved us 2 or 3 hits yesterday.
Scott, that must be true! The only way all this makes sense if this is a haunted house and Ned, Frank and Joe drive the Mystery Machine!
that was my point jhall, and at least Dewitt will take a pitch or two!!!
Good point JNV. For that matter 2nd.
WTF? NOMORE hitting 3rd???? Where did this come from. Torre took a page right out of the Grady handbook. Damnnit, how many managers do we have to go through before we can get a decent lineup.
Thanks Scott! Spent many happy times in Das Boot. Sad to see it go the way of the dinosaur – kinda like the Dodgers.
I only have one thing to say about tonights line-up:
Has there ever been a team with 162 different line-ups? If Joe is going to waste the 2008 season on spring training, why not play all the kids and let them get a solid year of AAAA baseball under their belts??
Nomar had a nice little run 2 years ago, almost reminiscent of his Red Sox days, but his time has run out I’m afraid. Time to hang ’em up, Nomar. Go hang out with Mike Greenwell, Robbie Alomar, Shawn Green, Juan Gonzalez and other guys whose careers came crashing to a halt.
Hope they play DeWitt and Hu when Lowe pitches.
I am surprised Colitis doesn’t sign Green, Alomar and Gonzalez to “bridge” the gap to the youngsters!!
When does our “genius” manager clock in? The guy that’s filling in for him sukks.
I was actually going to look for some new gear to buy (sweatshirt, hat, etc…) but Frank can forget it as long as line ups like this keep coming out of Joe’s backside!!
We easily have the better manager in this series. The Lizard will screw up as usual somehow!
Yep JNV, I’m with you there. I’ll wear my Brooklyn stuff. LOL
I’ll be going to Northwoods next month sometime, so I’ll check on the status of “the boat”.
We ought to have Penny batting 3rd and Nomar 9th. FYI Joe: this isn’t the Nomar of 10 years ago! Why don’t you give your buddy Bernie Willams a call, or Scott Brosius?
Can’t you just imagine the team huddled around this lineup?
You’d think Nomore’s first three games at third would’ve convinced ANYONE that he can’t play the position. Odds on him costing us a run or two tonight, even money, maybe better.
Kind of funny, a few years back at Dodgertown I was wearing my Brooklyn hat and T-shirt when I ran into Ralph Branca. He signed my hat and a ball. It was kind of funny that I chose the Brooklyn gear that day. Branca’s a nice fella’.
I think I will stick with my old stuff, all ratty and falling apart…..Just like this team.
Very cool jhall!!! I wish I could have made it to Dodgertown.
jnv828, at least you didn’t spend $120M for your ratty old stuff!
Good one Fogey, LOL!!
If you think about it jhall, a Dodger t-shirt is $30 a regular t-shirt is $8. A Dodgers sweatshirt is $60, a regular sweatshirt is $20.
Marlins Payroll – 18mil
Dodgers payroll – 100 mil+
Conclusion…..same product, just priced to make you think it is better…..
you got me as I was typing old fogey!! 🙂
This is actually becomming amusing now. I envision Frank outside the stadium like a sideshow barker, “Step right up, come see our freaks and geeks, guaranteed to amaze and frighten you.”
Remember what I said a bit ago….PROCTOR, SCHMIDT, JONES ,LOIAZA, NOMAR, ETC. ETC….This team maybe could finish 4th if we’re lucky….We don’t have the pitching, we don’t have the offense, and we surely don’t have middle relief….Everytime Proctor comes out to pitch to more than one batter I cringe….a terrible pick up and I said it at the time…DeWitt should be in instead of Nomar…we should play all the kids and let them learn for another year and see where we are….because we can’t get anywhere the way we’re doing it….at least we can see what we have if all the young players play…I know they have to play Andruw because Ned wasted $18mil on him this year…..
And to end all of this….Until the Dodgers hire management with a plan, that knows how to build a good team, the Dodgers will be mired in mediocrity….sorry to say….They’ve been really unwatchable lately…..I really don’t see how they can catch up especially in our division…looks to me like another wasted year…it’s sad….Ever notice how the Dodgers make the biggest splash in the offseason and get alot of publicity….AND IT NEVER WORKS OUT…..If we were allowed to get really bad, maybe we could get a couple of #1 picks like the DBacks did for those years and picked up S. Drew and Justin Upton…( no one talks about how young he is…at 20)….He learns quicker than Kemp I guess….but then they let him play….Sorry Dodger fans…..it makes me sad…
Dropped to 8th…when does Jones get dropped out of starting? Here’s the line up I like
1. Furcal SS
2. Nomar 3B
3. Loney 1B
4. Kent 2B
5. Ethier RF
6. Martin C
7. Kemp CF
8. Pitcher (working in St. Luis and Milw.)
9. Peire LF
Why would you want Nomore and Slappy in the same line up Randy?
almost sound like a line from “Valley Girl”…
Uh, like someone said earlier, Jones is hitting .316 over the last week and slugging, so the stupe you have batting 2nd needs to get the ax more. Also, anyone that you think is worse than a pitcher batting, needs to go.
3B – DeWhitt/LaRoche
LF – Ethier
RF – Kemp
CF – Jones ( for now, and batting 7th)
Yep, slap the Dodger name on it and increase the price 3 fold JNV.
Step right this way folks,
For one thin C-note, one tenth of a G,
See the futile Dodgers,
they walk, they talk, they crawl on their belly like reptiles!!!
LOL jhall at the belly-crawlers, but didn’t we release Luis Gonzalez?
Ned is a bottom feeder.
We score in the top of the first on Furcal HR
Well that’s a good start.
I hope that’s not all there is.
Let’s go Dodgers!!!!!
Wow we are hitting the ball hard!
GO BACK TO AAA KEMP!
That was pathetic
Kemp looked pathetic in that AB..
Now the last 3 runs have scored on solo Hrs.
Was that much of a “liner” by Nomar? Didn’t advance the runner but was hit to the right side.
There’s your run Penny, now make it stand up.
wow. Russ at 2nd with no outs, and we can’t even get him over to 3rd?
Why isn’t Ethier batting 3rd, Loney 5th and Nomar 7th?
At least give us a chance Joe.
Ned’s only source of info must be a wrinkled baseball almanac from 2001. Most of his acquisitions had good years in 2001.
He obviously can’t judge talent and should be working in the spin room of the Dodgers PR dept.
Hire Logan White.
Doesn’t Kemp make adjustments?…I love this guy, but that at bat was as bad as I’ve ever seen…especially with what’s been going on with this team…..he must know they’re trying to pitch him down and away….doesn’t he?…..and he gives 3 weak swings on the same pitch…It was awful…..nobody moves guys up…..It’s really hard to watch..
firstname.lastname@example.org wrote on April 21, 2008 4:20 PM, ”
GO BACK TO AAA KEMP!
That was pathetic”
Be careful what you wish for; if they do that, I guarantee we’ll be getting a heavy dose of JP in LF.
I feel bad for Kemp. Its hard to stay sharp sitting every other day.
It’s not hard.
Stop platooning Kemp/Pierre. Platoon Jones/Pierre. Switch Kemp to CF when you need to rest Jones.
Once Jones and Nomar return to their form deserving to bat 3rd/4th/5th, then fine. Until then, how about batting the good bats together?
In the spirit of Dodgers-Reds, how does THIS strike you?
Now THAT’S a shocker. (caught in the uniwatch blog.)
This is the first time Andruw Jones has hit eighth since he was 21.
Wow nice play Griffey
I don’t have the game on TV, was Kemp’s at-bat that terrible? 3 pitch strikeout on 3 breaking balls, evokes memories of Pedro Cerrano.
A hit with RISP, two outs, but the run can’t score! I get it, the Dodgers are going for all-out farce now.
YEH….Russell gets it done….thankfully
Whoa! A second run in the same game – be still my heart!
Yeah 3 straight sliders to Kemp down and away and he swung at all 3.
And then 3-0 to Nomar – when did we slip into an alternate universe?
oh no…Nomar comes through….what is this world coming to??!!! lol
Get used to Nomar hitting 3rd people – the hunch will continue.
2 runs in one inning, that’s an improvement, thanks to MARTIN AND NOMORE
I’ll say it…thanks Nomar.
But I’d still prefer seeing Ethier bat 3rd, Loney 5th and Nomar 7th.
Let’s go Dodgers!!
Is anyone else getting the KABC feed from Gameday Audio without commercials?
Kemp looked better there, eh?
2 runs in 1 inning is an improvement, thanks to Martin & Nomore.
Loney 2 RBI on one swing.
Is it Belisle?
Two RBIs at once??? Whaaat?
I had the KABC feed from mlb.com and it came on late—so i switched to the local radio feed—it sounded like mlb.com was having technically difficulties—BTW can anyone confirm that the dodgers are actually in cincinnati tonight? 5 runs in 3 innings??
Gawd almighty Boog sukks.
Awesome to see a few runs tonight!!!
Nice job Ethier, Kemp and Loney.
They need to stop hit and running with Loney on too lol When the hitters don’t hit it, Loney is a dead man at 2nd
Penny looked wild last inning.
Did they hit and run with Penny or was that a strike-’em-out, throw-’em-out with Jones? Stupid either way, Joe getting greedy.
(I always Loney running means Loney was sent.)
I always ASSUME Loney running…….
it sounded like it was a hit and run and penny missed…Monday and Reuss were talking about it….not a bad idea up 5-0…cant go crazy about that
Penny’s got a 5 run lead, throw strikes for god’s sake. Geez!!!
Dusty sending Freel down 5-0 is not very smart.
Hit and run with Brad
The Lizard at his best sending Freel.
Think Martin and Dusty ought to get an assist on that CS. Bonehead down 5.
Atta way to make him pitch Nomore. Good Gawd.
It’s good to see Russell getting that BA up.
Was that a first pitch GIDP from Nomar?
How in the world can Torre and Bowa get on Kemp when you’ve got a vet that does that?
Yes, I see that it was.
Get some Lizard!
Nice rip Kemp!
I just can’t understand why you would play Kemp over Phew!!! LOL
at what point do you think we should start saving some runs for the rest of the week?
Boy its really feast or famine with these guys. Nice to see the kids swinging the sticks tonite, especially Marty.
That’s why they call him the Bison.
Good Lord Andruw!
That was a very Bombkoesque line for Belisle tonite.
its called a pop fly, cant andruw hit one good lord… that guy is a waste of money.
KEMPS 5th RBI in case anybody wanted to know.
Well we didn’t have any trouble with Matt Belisle.
MLB-TV has gone to sleep here, well no use losing mt temper with a 7-0 lead.
Maybe they think we had enough.
Nice recovery for Penny….
Anybody lose the mlb.com game?????
I guess I should be happy I didn’t see the Reds score that run.
joe pierre, it’s 7-1 through 5 now. Back to back doubles to score one, but Penny stranded the second guy, comebacker, K, K, to end the inning. But 92 pitches through 5.
What’s happening in the game. MLB.TV is off the air
they just keep teasing us…i really wish they could do this over a week or so, or a whole season
Well, whatta’ya know. Nomore with a homer. Hope he gets hot….
NOMORE NO MORE WHAT?
He didn’t wait to long this year.
Dusty brought in the awful Josh Fogg, who was going to start this game before he got yanked from the rotation for stinking games up so bad. He hit Russell Martin with a pitch and Nomar took him deep.
Every silver lining has a cloud; how many more days do we have to see Nomar hitting 3 now?
Every silver lining has a cloud!!!!! Never heard that one before and my Dad knew them all.
My thoughts exactly fogey.
A little competition for 3B won’t hurt anybody.
Com’ on Penny bring us to the 7th.
GREAT GOING PENNY
Really sad thing is, is that Nomore has as many RBIs tonite as Boog does all year.
No Proctor! Please Joe!
Let Chan Ho finish it out…….
Enchanted who is Boog?
Lot of pitches for penny but he’s got four days to rest.
Boog is Andruw.
swood, hes refering to the overpaid, over weight, center fielder we have… andruw jones
Man, that’s not entirely fair. Boog did know how to walk!
Big Boog, Fat Andruw, the Curacao Kaka – you can call me anything you want, but I get $18 million a year no matter what I do.
Hurry back Braz. Don’t let the door hit you Chan Ka-Boom!!
This guy is toast. Crap!!
andruw= overweight, overpaid, over eater, over swinger, over rated, did I miss anything hes over?
I think they should get somebody up in the pen if Park comes back in for the 8th.
They should play this like a close game.
We can’t afford to lose and we got a good shot at winning this one.
I know, you can’t tell the players without a scorecard:
Nomar aka Nomore aka Mr. Hamm aka Moai
Jones aka Boog
JP – ah why bother, call him whatever you want.
Same goes for Ned.
Sweeney – Sultan of Sit.
bear – I really like the Curacao Kaka. LMAO
I am DVR-ing the game on Extra Innings…just saw Nomar’s HR.
Once again, I’ll own up and say thanks. But still, Ethier 3rd, Loney 5th, Nomar 7th. Maybe Nomar 8th, so he can “protect” Jones at 7th. hahahaha.
Let the pen rest. Dusty has thrown in the towel, pulling Griffey who would have led off the next inning against Chan Ho! I hope Park (who really has about nothing left) can finish this game, or at least go two.
MARTIN can sure use this 3 for 3 and the RBI
Park > Loaiza.
CHP has his moments, I wouldn’t say he’s got nothing left. And he’s much cheaper than Loaiza.
Furcal, Martin, Ethier, Kemp and Nomar all with two or more hits.
Maybe Dusty Gave up, But I’m not convinced.
We’re stuck with Bloaiza however!!
Bloaiza has pitched well out of the bullpen. Credit where credit is due. Chan is settling down and getting it done.
I think Chan Ho was awful in AAA last year for a reason. 135+ IP, 27 HR allowed, 5.97 ERA. This year he looks too straight and not fast enough.
But these GIDPs are helping him a lot!
PARK looked better in the 8th, then in the 7th but the Reds looked like the Dodgers.
Can Ethier hit or what?!
A 3 for 4 night looks gooood.
GIDPs for everyone! Crap.
Don’t want Ho-Boom in in a close game. Wow, what a shot.
We can only bring in Park when we’re 8 or 9 runs ahead.
Woo-Hoo, win streak!!!
ONE GAME IS NOT ENOUGH, we have to sweep.
We can’t afford a split.
We go home to face the big team and then the Rockies
We must go home with the 9 WINS.
jhall – you mean Wo-Ho ! Chan Ho with the 3 IP, 2 bases-empty ROCKETS, spotted eight-run lead, save, the FIRST save of his career!
When was the last time we got one of those kind of saves.
? that was a question.
I’ll take it, but I don’t want Ho or Procto in in close games.
Nice game for the boys!!!
I’m with you jhall; Chan Ho is only for this large run difference situations. He did his job, kept the lead big enough and saved the rest of the pen.
Wilson Alvarez had the last two three-inning saves for the Dodgers, 4/9/04 and 6/14/03.
Yep, he’s a mop up guy. Procto is like Seanz, good for 1 or 2 batters at best. Try to extend him and he goes to pieces..
Good stats Fogey. Alvarez did well for us.
Dave Stewart has the last Dodger save that was 3 or more IP and 2 or more runs allowed, back on 10/2/1982; he went 4 and allowed 2 in a 15-2 blow out of the Giants, which eliminated them. That was the day before SF returned the favor with the infamous Joe Morgan HR off Terry Forster, which eliminated LA on the last day – a win meant a playoff with Atlanta for the NL West.
In this game from 2006:
Jae Seo came into a 7-0 game to start the sixth and finished out the last four innings, yielding four runs in an eventual 10-4 Dodger win. The official chose NOT to record a save for Seo because, in his opinion, he did not meet the “effective” part of this criterion: “He pitches effectively for at least three innings.”
Super 9-3 Victory by our Beloved L.A. Dodgers over the Cincinnati Reds! Hard Work, Patience and Faith will catapult This Dodger Team to its’ Seventh World Series Championship on the 50th Anniversary in Los Angeles!
im confuse, who is the dodgers #5 starter?
What is up with Loisa?
JOSH–CAN YOU GET THIS DAMN BOARD TO WORK???? I JUST LOST A MESSAGE BECAUSE THERE IS SOME GLITCH. THIS NEW FORMAT SUCKS!
Nice call Scurtis. You weren’t dead-on, but you were close.
email@example.com on April 21, 2008 2:24 PM:
“It’s like Joe is picking names out of a hat to set the line-up. Maybe its part of the big picture….”
Funny. Billy Martin did that in 1977 when the Yankees were struggling, and they caught fire.
Anyone seem to notice that Loney is pulling the ball a lot more. The infield has even set up the Ted Williams shift on him, which is odd because he is really good at going the other way. He’s struggling a bit right now (I love when you can calll a .292 hitter struggling, but it’s true for him), and wonder if that’s part of the problem. Anyway, I don’t doubt that he will turn it around very soon.
Hopefully Joe noticed Kemp’s 2 doubles, not the 3 Ks. Kemp looked bad on those strikeouts. He still needs to learn patience. He’s going to be a force (actually, he already is, it’s just scary what he’ll be able to do when he gets just a little more patience).
Torre apparently said that this is the hardest team he’s ever hd in terms of figuring out a line-up. That’s insane. It’s not hard to figure the right 8 guys to be playing (some disagree about Nomar, but you have to give him the chance to show if he can still play at the level he’s expected to). The rest is figuring out who amongst Kemp, Loney, and Ethier should hit 3, 5, and 6 (arguably, one of them could hit 4th, but I’ll let Jeff Kent have that role as long as he is knocking the ball pretty good, as he is).
I do admit this team is frustrating. I don’t understand how they are so feast or famine. 11 runs, 1 run, 4 runs, 11 runs, 8 runs, 1 run, 1 run, 1 run, 9 runs. They just need to put it all together everyday.
Poor Reds, they never had a chance. Nothing fazes GNOME POWER!!!!!!!!
I agree with the shortcomings of this blog format, leekfink. Didn’t used to be this way, but too often the page times out, and you have to start over again. Anytime I’m going to have more than a few sentences, I make sure I keep copying my post several times in progress, so that I’m ready to paste it back in rather than lose the whole content time and again.
That’s weird guys – mine never times out, and I haven’t had to sign in since the new format started. BUT both the load and address bars flash constantly. If I had epilepsy I’d be going into seizures all the time. Plus there’s always like 500-1000 items remaining to download everytime. Then when you do hit submit, it takes several seconds to accept it. That must me happening to a lot of people – we see quite a few double posts.
why did Park get the save? We were up 7-1 when he came in.
Well, good job by the boys last night. Nomar proved he has at least one game left in the tank, so my apologies.
Now, since the team seemed to have some rhythm last night, let’s keep the lineup the same for once instead of trying to slip Slappy in there and f the whole thing up.
I like the new format. I’ve not had to sign in and have not had anything to time out on me. I’ve even started typing a comment and go back 30 minutes later to finish it with no problems.
No flashing of load or address bars. I like this better than the old format. Got a little mad last eve when MLB.TV cut out for a few minutes. Finally had to start over to get back on.
We’ll go for 2nd in a row tonight.
I like that I don’t need to sign in anymore, but the reloads are still slow.
I am watching ESPN First Take and they were talking about the Dodgers’ early struggles. One of the guests quoted a baseball scout who said that if the Dodgers are willing to bench Slappy, they should bench Andruw as well. The scout also said that MATT KEMP SHOULD PLAY EVERYDAY!
Torre talks of Kemp as if he’s a platoon player, justifying playing him yesterday because Cincy is good for home runs.
Is is good for guys who hit .342 as well?
has anyone here notice that Mark Hendrickson is 4-0 with the Marlins.
typical ex-dodger, huh?
Until either one of them gets it going, Jones and Pierre need to platoon, with Jones getting more time in the field because he is the better fielder of the two.
Right, perumike. they can be interchanged for now in the 8th spot without screwing up the daily lineup too much.
There was an article in the LA Times about Hu and how it’s difficult to adjust to a utility role for a young player. That reminded me of DY – what kind of an adjustment does he have to make. Seems to me that while Andruw isn’t hitting worth a Schidt and Pierre is getting platooned, now would be a great time to get DY into the outfield for a series or two to see what he can do on a steady basis. Of course, that might be too much for Torre to contend with. But if not, why do we carry DY on the team at all?
It seems every time we let a player go or trade him, he always does better with the new team. Different strokes for us. We get a player doing bad and then he does even worse with us.
We need to play Matt Kemp every day without fail. This is a guy capable of 30 home runs and 80 to 100 RBI’S if played every game. He will get his strikeouts down if the Management leaves him in long enough. He’s as good or better hitter than Loney and Loney plays everyday. What does it take to open Torre’s eyes.
We can’t send DY back to the Minors or he’s gone. We don’t want to trade him as he’s proved he can hit. Hello, Management, Time to trade Pierre no matter what we lose in salary. We’re paying him every day to not produce for us. Might as well be on another team and let Dy and Kemp platoon.
I really like Juan Pierre’s game……….NOT!
I like Juan’s game to, say in Cleveland, Detroit, Oakland, Kansas City or where ever but not LA.
Wish we could send Pierre to Japan – maybe they like speed; I’d even take some sushi for Pierre, and I’m not fond of sushi. It’s got to be better than Pierre, no?
That’s my point about DY – we obviously think enough of him that we don’t want to risk losing him, but we never let him play while we play an OF who doesn’t hit a lick or another one who never hits anything hard enough.
Pierre needs to go to someone who needs a leadoff hitter, pure and simple. Granted that his OBP isn’t good for that slot, but where else does he fit? We don’t need him here, as Furcal is so much better.
Regarding the new format, I haven’t had any trouble with it and like enchanted, I like that I don’t have to sign in. I think it would be nice if you could have the opportunity to deselect the archives download. I think that would take care of some of the problems.
randyisrad asked about Park getting the save last night. He went 3 innings. The save is a bastardized stat anymore. It doesn’t have much meaning when you come in with a 3 run lead and qualify.
PLAY MATT KEMP EVERY DAY!
Not that I’m harboring much hope anyway, but there’s no hope of Boog turning it around while batting 8th with absolutely no protection behind him in the order.
Time to play GM… Question: what happens if this IS the best we’re going to get out of Jones?
(A) Play him regardless
(B) Bench him indefinately
(C) Try and trade him
(D) Release him outright
Repko’s now struggling at Vegas hitting .222. Xavier Paul’s hitting .190. You’ve got JP and DY on the bench. What do you do?
I would like to see what DY could do, but I’m just a moron that thinks Kemp should play every day over a singles slap hitter with no arm.
I guess I’m part of the moron club who feels the same way.
I like not having to constantly sign-in again, but it sometimes randomly navigates away, and if I am posting, I lose my post.
I hear what people are saying about Pee-Wee Young, but it makes sense for him to play in the role he does now. First off, Joe can’t quite figure out the basic concept that you play your three best outfileders (Kemp, Ethier, Jones, in that order) everyday. So don’t try to burden him by getting DY into the rotation.
Also, DY might be trade bait at the deadline. But if Matt Kemp were to run into the right-field wall again, or Ethier to injure his shoulder again, we want that depth, because he would see a lot of playing time. Also, you could see him getting playing time at second base if Jeff Kent were to go down (Hu might get all the starts, and defensively is obviously much better, but right now Hu is the only thing close to a utility infielder that we have).
There is another key point to keeping DY around–we don’t have a lot of good prospects (Kemp and Ethier are NOT prospects–they are good young major leaguers, possibly on the verge of greatness) in the outfield. Check out the organizational depth chart at True Blue LA http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/970/bigboard.htm.
Repko is good, and maybe can be an everyday centerfielder, but even setting aside that his style of play is injury-prone, the thinking is that he is probably a 4th or 5th outfielder at the major league level. Xavier Paul, maybe. George Lombard is a 32-year old journeyman, mostly a career minor leaguer.
At the lower levels, I don’t see any names that stand out. Obviously, between Hu, Abreu, LaRoche, DeWitt, Ivan DeJesus, and Preston Mattingly, there are some infielders that we are big on, and Lucas May is a catcher that seems promising, but who is foreclosed by our All-Star, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove future Captain. And there are a bunch of pitchers (Miller, Stults Meloan, McDonald, and some lefty whose name is something like Kershawfax or something). But I don’t know if we have a lot of outfield prospects coming up, so DY is a good guy to hang on to. In 2 years, we have to decide whether to re-sign Andruw Jones, play a 31-year old Pierre every day, sign someone new, or give the job to someone in the organization. Right now, Young is the insurance policy for that situation.
Dang it scott, I’m still bummed out about the boat. Aren’t too many of the old landmarks left anymore. Don’t get back to LA very often, but was able to make a “boat trip” 2-3 years ago.
It seemed to say that “the boat” was being moved to where the steak n stein used to be and improved somehow. I will check it out. We shall see…
Enchanted–That’s a VERY interesting question. Obviously, Ned, Torre, and frankly most people don’t think that this really is the best we’re going to get from Andruw Jones.
The clear answer is that we would try to trade him, assuming that other organizations will think (as we do) he will play better at some point soon.
I think that the real answer is that he starts platooning (with Pierre and DY) with the hope that Kemp learns about playing centerfield from him, as Jones is still a high quality defender. If DY lights it up, he can possibly take the job, otherwise, it eventually shifts back to Pierre playing Left, Ethier in right, and Kemp in center.
Fortunately, I think he’ll do better than he is doing now.
I have to hold out hope that Jones is still a better option than Slappy or I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.
You picked the right week Scott, Jones is still a better option than Slappy. Even the glue won’t make Slappy a major leaguer…. Oh wait a minute he is a major leaguer isn’t he…. I just thought from the looks of him he was a little leaguer!!! 🙂
Just won’t be the same though scott unless its the exact same boat (grease and all!!)
Tough spot when your $18 mil OF is doing squat. Only OF prospect I’ve heard mentioned on this blog is Lambo, and he’s in low A ball. At best, he’s three years away. This is where I thnk we need to dump old-timers Kent and Lowe (if we’re completely out of the race by the deadline) and load up on some minor league OFers, from A to AAA.
Outside the box, move LaRoche/DeWitt/Loney to the OF. Honestly though, given the choices currently available, I give DY a few starts, but I’m afraid to say I’d almost have to play Jones full time. I just can’t stand seeing JP trying to do anything.
Trigger simply needs to go period. Taking ABs away from Kemp is completely unacceptable, his “defense” for any of the three is worse than zero, and as long as he’s around, Torre’s going to play him. Right now I’ve got him 20AB 0R 5H 2RBI 1BB in those ABs for Kemp. Of course, JP does have more RBIs than Boog, but that ain’t sayin’ much.
We just need wins. I just don’t know if this team has enough talent at the right time in their respective careers to mesh together to win. We will see I guess. I am just not sure why a set line up is so hard and how a guy can go from 8 hole to clean up or bench to 3 hole. I am unimpressed so far with everything I see and I am bummed. Trying to just hang in there and not get to high or to low. It seems Torre is giving himself till end of May to know what he has and then I hope to see some roster shake ups if were not playing better.
I am with you Jungar, it almost feels like this year is a wash already. I have no expectations and Think there was a reason Joe went to the american league to manage. Time will tell and I just hope the young guys get a chance to play and learn so we have a hope for the future.
Think with Joe what it boils down to is, is Torre an insane genius and this team rises from the ashes in June? or did Frank and Furter (Ned’s a weenie) fleece themselves again?
Frank and Furter, that is hilarious E. LOL
Ned is a weenie, no doubt.
weenie hut jr is Ned’s favorite hang out
Tony Jackson just posted tonight’s lineup – same as yesterday, except that Andruw sits and Pierre bats eighth. Assuming that Kemp will be in CF.