Spring Training tickets

Season tickets in Vero Beach went on sale today. Mini packages and individual games will go on sale at a later date, but for those of you who plan to go to all 10 home games at Dodgertown, you can go online and do so.

I’m not expecting much more exciting to blog about in the next few daysso if this is my final post for a while, I wish you all a happy and healthy end to the holiday season.

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Have a nice break, Josh. Happy Holidays and a healthy, prosperous new year to all you bloggers. Go Dodgers!

Happy Holidays Dodgerdom. We have alot to look forward to in 2008. Thanks Josh and the Dodgers.

Thanks, Josh and Merry Christmas!

It’s been a pretty productive off season so far. One more thing on the list to do and away we go!

I wish Curt Schilling would just SHUT UP! He has a huge mouth and he shouldn’t be commenting on Clemens situation. He knows nothing. Fuq Schilling!

Back at you Josh, and happy holidays to everyone.

The LA Times apologized to Clemens today…I wonder when the LA Times is going to get around to apologizing to its readers for Bill Plaschke.

“The Rangers reportedly were told Andre Ethier was unavailable after asking the Dodgers about him following their pickup of Andruw Jones.

We doubt Ethier is completely unavailable, but if the Dodgers are trying to move Juan Pierre instead, it’d be a very good sign for their fans. The Rays were also believed to be interested in Ethier, but that probably changed with the signing of Cliff Floyd.”

- Rotoworld

From Rangers.mlb.com

The Rangers have talked to the Reds about center fielder Josh Hamilton. The Reds want Edinson Volquez included in any return package. The Rangers asked the Dodgers about Andre Ethier, but he’s not available. The Dodgers are trying to trade Juan Pierre, who is just one year into a five-year, $44 million contract. But the Rangers aren’t biting on that one unless the Dodgers pick up a significant portion of his contract. The Red Sox still could trade Coco Crisp, unless they need to include Jacoby Ellsbury in a trade for Johan Santana.

Ditto to all – Merry Christmas!!

Know I’m going to take some heat for this, but with Clemens, I’m of the opinion that where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire.

I concur Enchanted. He juiced.

Pierre should have juiced. LOL

well, MLB.com is posting the Reds/Rangers trade with Josh Hamilton going to Texas….

Looks like that’s one place Pierre can’t be traded to anymore.

White Sox are our still an option.

At least to this point it looks like Ned’s not willing to part with Ethier, so it looks like he and JP will either battle for LF or JP will actually become the 4th outfielder, in which case he does carry some value. Still think his [trade] value goes up tremendously at the trade deadline, especially if some club is minus a CFer.

Starting to look like the current roster is the one we go into ST with (and probably up until July 31st with), and that’s OK by me. Should be a fun team to watch…

Come on Ned, get aggressive. Unload Pierre. Eat the salary, admit the mistake and lets put the best team on the field in 08.

I think I’d rather keep Pierre and have him platoon or be the 4th fielder rather than lose Ethier. I think with time he may become really good, maybe not power but in hits and rbi’s. That left handed stroke reminds me of Will Clark, one of the best that ever wore a midget’s uniform.

That is if we can’t trade pierre which is what I’m rooting for.

I have nothing against Pierre as a person. I would just like to see us put the best team on the field. Ethier/Jones/Kemp is sweet. Inject Pierre’s name in there and it is immediately diminishhed. I hate to see us compromised because a GM made a mistake.

I have faith that even if Pierre is on the roster in spring training, Torre will see that he is no better then a 4th or 5th outfielder and will treat him as so, no matter how much money hes making. I hope Torre doesn’t let Ned walk all over him and make him play his bad, overpaid players like he did to Grady(I don’t think Torre will allow that to happen). I have said this before, I think Kuo is the wildcard for the 5th starting spot. He’s helped greatly by being a lefty. I also would like to add, I wish somebody would just tell Schilling to SHUT UP!!!

chjones, Ethier and JP both bat left, so it doesn’t make sense to platoon them.

Repko bats R, but unless he steps it up greatly, he is not competition for Ethier.

DY bats S, so he may give the other LFs a run for their jobs. DY is not the defensive stalwart that Ethier and Repko are in RF or CF, however. He is fine playing LF and can back up at 2B.

I still think there is a place for JP on the Dodgers. Maybe not in the starting lineup, but he’s going to come in handy during the long season. If he’s traded, all the luck. If he stays, he’s ours and support him. Obviously, Torre will have his say and this will get sorted out and yes Schilling should keep his big mouth shut.

Happy Holidays Josh. ALEX, I don’t know were you heard that the Dodgers are trying to trade Pierre, that’s the first time I heard that. Wherever you heard it, if it’s true, it’s great.

For those of you who think that hitting .300 is easy: Yogi Berra liked to say that hitting is the hardest thing to do in sports. The bat is round and the ball is round, but you have to hit it square.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve always said that JP does have worth to the Ds as a PR, especially for Kent late in the game; as a PH when you need a bunt or leading off for the pitcher from the 7th inning on; and when the other OFs are rested and you want to go with a speed line-up. In that capacity I think you set JP up for the greatest amount of success possible.

What us “trade JPers” fear is that he’ll be stuck in the line-up no matter what because of his salary, which isn’t putting your best line-up on the field (JP aside, that was rarely if ever done last season with Little no matter what the position.)

Now if Torre & Co. are as smart as people say they are, he’s had the best players that money can buy and will recognize an albatross when he sees one out in the field.

I think it comes down to a simple equation – Pierre’s speed on the basepaths does not equal the amount of extra bases the opposing team takes on his arm. Even in left he’s a liability. Anyone will be able to score from second on him, and even on sharp singles runners will challenge his arm going from first to third, and I’d say make it 95% of the time.

People will say he gets close to 200 hits anually, but when you bat 1 or 2, play every inning of every game, make contact and don’t walk, even a .286 hitter will get 200 hits with 700 ABs. To put a little more perspective on it, even a .250 hitter will get 175 hits in 700 ABs.

If JP sticks (and again as I’ve said before I’m reasonably sure he will at least until the trade deadline), his best value to the Ds is off the bench. In that roll, does he earn the salary they’re paying him?, no (but that’s Ned’s fault, not JPs), but he does bring something to the table. Is it fair to JP as a major leaguer? – no, because speed and contact are his game and that’s what got him to the show in the first place.

Great guy. Decently good ballplayer. He’s just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Enchanted (remember the Platters?) VG comment, right on the nose. I thing JPs future as a Dodger lies in the hands of Mr T.(as in Torre)

Thank you pierres. Now though I like the Platters music, even had a best of LP (that’s “long playing” for you of the CD generation), I don’t DIRECTLY remember the Platters. I started life’s journey just after Eisenhower left office, though on a good day (or bad depending on one’s mood) I can get the 10% discount at Carl’s Jr. without asking…

Pierre in our lineup is a huge mistake. Everyone with half an ounce of baseball sense knows it. Get rid of his (adjective of your choice) ***.

Sorry Tommy, but if you believe this guy belongs on our team in left field, you need your head examined. Ned should go with you as well, he signed him.

It will be so nice for Spring Training to start. Been watching the hot stove and I see more than I can understand, but isn’t baseball a Great game! I miss the Bulldog and was offended when Steve Garvey went to the Padres and still rooted for him despite myself. Got to see more Padres than Dodgers when stationed at NTC and 32nd street. Hard to miss those days, hard not to miss them too. Merry Christmas. Happy Holy Days.

here’s a thought… lets sell pierre to the japanese leagues. now that fukudome is here they are one outfielder short!

happy holidays everyone!

I want to say that I am very sorry for naming Tommy in my post. He is intitled to his opininion and I respect that oininion.

opinion

This is a clip from an article about, among other things, the way things used to be between fans and players:

“The man was gracious and completely untroubled. He smiled and said he’d be happy to sign my ball. He asked my name, asked if I played ball and didn’t hold it against me when I told him that, yes, I was a Sox fan.

He took his time and signed his name in beautiful, elegant script.

I thanked him, still not sure who he was, and he smiled at me, said something nice, and went on his way.

I looked at the autograph.

Harmon Killebrew”

The rest of this article is at:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20071221_Jim_Salisbury___A_moment_can_last_a_lifetime.html

you know it must be the Christmas season or something but my comparison to Will Clark was about Loney not Ethier, That Loney has a sweet swing, and you are right Shepard platoon won’t work, 4th outfielder at the most for JP

Pierre will not be happy as the 4th or as I feel he should be 5th outfielder. His stupid streak is a question that needs to be addressed. If he’s not traded I doubt we’ll ever see the 3 best outfielders start. It really is a problem that Ned created and he should have the guts to fix it ,and make JP go away to a team that has use for him. The Dodgers have much better options.

Much as I would have liked to see Pierre traded, I don’t think that option is even on Colletti’s radar. We only have to hope that Torre will make them fight it out in Spring training to determine who starts where. Let’s assume that Andruw is set for CF. If Ethier and Kemp can put up better numbers and performance in ST than Pierre does, you would assume that Torre would have them starting. Much could also be determined how Furcal does in the lead-off spot and whether Torre may feel that he needs Pierre’s lead-off option. The very first thing that Torre should do is break Pierre’s consecutive game streak to show that this consideration will not overshadow how the lineup will be determined from day to day. That’s how I would like to think that Torre will determine who plays as long as Pierre is a Dodger.

I agree that Schilling should just shut up!!! I am not surprised that Clemens was mentioned but and I am a huge baseball fan, not that upset by it. I believe it is Tim Kurjien that says he does not know who or who did not juice over the last 10-15 years and so he is just accepting it and will vote for who he feels deserves to be in the hall. Just because someone has not been named does not mean that they did not and vice versa if someone was named. I feel that the whole era will be forever linked with steroids and all in baseball should be blamed. The commish, quit being so high and mighty, this was talked about for years and baseball chose to ignore it. Bud, with the bad haircut, did not get on his soap box until congress threatened baseball. If he was so concerned and was not getting cooperation from the players union, he could have taken it public form the owners view and he did not because of the money.

As for Schilling, where were you when your suspected teammates were doing it? He is an opportunist much like Al Sharpton, when something happens, he arrives and says something to bring the spotlight on himself. cheating in baseball has been happening for many years and the players always look for an edge and always will. Who knows what the guys in the 30s and 40s did? There was not the media coverage that we have today. Back then the writers were their buddies, today they are sensationalists, looking for the dagger to bury someone. Why do we not get upset with the 60-70s known as the amphetimines era, they were prevalent in every clubhouse and enhanced performance.

I wish the ones that have been named, especially bonds and clemens, if so proven would have chosen not to, but they did and they were great before and great during and after.

Oh well that is my rant and maybe most of you do not even care, but I wanted to vent on all the mightier than thou that want to bury athletes for being human and making bad choices. Lets look at our own lives and have we made decisions that were illegal or immoral to better ourselves.

Go Dodgers and Happy Holidays to all!!!!!

Interesting post from martinloneykemp. I was lucky enough to get some autographs from the ’61 Yankees at old Wrigley Field. I could not go so far as to say they were gracious, except for Skowron, but they were easy to approach. Some of them were just standing around outside the ball park. I was amazed because I thought they would be giants and as a 14 year old, I was as tall as some of them. The next day they flew out of LAX from the old terminal on the east side of Sepulveda. The old art-deco building over there close to Imperial. I have no idea if it’s still there or not. Anyway, we walked through the boarding gate and on to their plane and got some more autographs there. I was afraid to talk to Mantle (huge arms) but managed enough to get his signature. During that series in LA, Maris hit his 50th on the way to the record, and Mantle made a ball just disappear into the night. He hit over fence, light pole, everything. Awesome stuff for a 14 year old.

In MHO. Do not be surprised, come ST, If Pierre’s status drops to #5 on the outfielders list. Delwyn Young
could VERY easily, come on and Threaten, Andre Eithier,for the # 3 spot.Even with Young’s defensive lacks, Torre may find a spot for this very good hitter….

Seasons Greetings! Counting down til Christmas and the ST! I am excited to see the “invitees” more than watch what comes of the guaranteed contracts. Nothing against the Vets, but I wish there would have been an extra retirement to open up second base for the young guys. Can’t help myself, even ex-giants are hard to root for. Who is our next 2nd baseman?

I have actually enjoyed the traffic regarding steroids. lot’s of talk and sometimes you wonder how carefully statements are worded regarding “banned” and etc. “Not Tested For” doesn’t mean “not banned” and many drugs are/were/have always been illegal. btw, Steroids in sports have been around since at least 1980 and always frowned on. Not just the last 10 – 15 years. It has been and always will be a matter of moral convenience and $$$.

Pierre’s stupid streak will end on opening day. I just hope we don’t trade him though… this blog would become a quiet place. LOL! I think Repko is better then Pierre anyway. A scout told me he thought Repko’s throwing arm was the third strongest in MLB(he told me that in 2005). I don’t think the Rangers will want Pierre now that they’ve aquired Hamilton and its looking more and more likely that he will stay in LA. I think/hope Kuo wins the 5th starting spot.

We have 6 outfielders who will want legit playing time. I think this is a big problem and I wish Ned would trade Repko or Pierre, although I doubt that would happen. Personally, I think Pierre is the 6th best outfielder on our roster.

Jones
Kemp

Ethier

Young

Repko

Pierre

Yep Swood, I believe you are correct. I would play any of our other outfielders over Pierre. Unless the White Sox are interested, we may be stuck with Pierre. I just hope that Torre bases playing time in the outfield on performance and not consecutive game streaks and size of contract.

If Pierre outplays Ethier, Young, and Repko, then he should play and more power to him. Needs to get his OBP over .360 by taking more walks. If he increases his OBP over .360, then his poor defense becomes more tolerable. Not acceptable, but tolerable.

Pierre is totally one dimensional. With absolutely no power and poor defense, his game is all about getting on base at an above average rate. Take lots of pitches, work the count, get more walks, and move runners over when necessary to make your plate appearances count is imperative for him to have any value to this team.

The other day the White Sox signed Cuban Alexei Ramirez for $4.75M / 4 years, plus $3.25M in incentives. He might be a CF, but may still need some minor-league seasoning. Might this make Juan Pierre an overpriced and overlong insurance policy for Chicago that GM Kenny Williams will pass on?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/alexei_ramirez/index.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AgZZAj182EMADVDEMV2T.dkU0bYF?slug=ap-whitesox-ramirez&prov=ap&type=lgns

jhall: If JP would put up a .350+ OBP, he would be the legitimate leadoff CF that Ned Colletti tried to sell us on when he signed him. But because he doesn’t “take lots of pitches, work the count, get more walks”, he MUST have a high BA to do it. Unfortunately, that hasn’t happened since 2004.

JP Total Walks (718-750 PAs each year), BA, OBP:

2003: 55, .305, .361

2004: 45, .326, .374

2005: 41, .276, .326

2006: 32, .292, .330

2007: 33, .293, .331

That is not a promising trend and for a speed-based guy who will 30 1/2 on opening day, hard to reverse.

Fox’s Dayn Perry on Andy LaRoche:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7596852

“4. Andy LaRoche, 3B, Dodgers, 24

Last season, Dodger third basemen combined to “hit” .254 AVG/.327 OBP/.386 SLG, while the average major-league third baseman put up a batting line of .273 AVG/.342 OBP/.443 SLG. As you can see, L.A. has some ground to make up. Fortunately, LaRoche, as long as he’s plugged into the lineup and left alone, should do the job. In five minor-league seasons, LaRoche hit .295 AVG/.376 OBP/.525 SLG, so he’s got the track record. In 2008, don’t be surprised if he posts an OBP of .350 or better and slugs .450 or better. Needless to say, such numbers would constitute a drastic improvement over what the Dodgers got from the hot corner in 2007.”

Unfortunately, it is not likely, I agree. He only needs 25 more walks in 700+ PA’s to get his OBP over .350 if he hits .290+. It is doable. Needs to concentrate that hard work ethic in the right place this spring. I am still hopeful that he will be competing for the starting LF job and not just handed it because he makes alot of money and Ned can’t unload him. Let him battle Ethier, Young, and Repko for the 3rd outfield spot and may the best player win.

I read that one also Fogey. We aren’t asking for LaRoche or Nomar to put up All-Star numbers. Just play solid defense and hit .275 with an OBP of .350 and slugging around .450 and we are in great shape at 3rd. I believe LaRoche can pull it off given a reasonable shot and if he stays healthy.

I also think that LaRoche COULD do it… but he will have to take some major steps from what I saw him do last year. I was very discouraged watching LaRoche play last september, he didn’t look like an every day 3B then(no matter how good his minor league numbers were) and I think he will have to prove himself to Torre. I still think Nomar has the edge on being the opening day 3B but I would be willing to bet that by May or June at the latest LaRoche will be able to play every day.

BTW, if LaRoche doesn’t do some major head turning in the spring I will have no problem with sending him to AAA for a month or two until he gets hot at the plate and then bring him up.

*would not will

Truthfully, I think the combination of Nomar and LaRoche will hit .260-.280 and have respectable power numbers(which is all we really need). Personally, I am much more concerned about the outfield situation. I could see this 6 players for 3 spots becoming a problem. I am still worried that Ethier and Kemp will have to platoon and Pierre will be the every day LF. The thought of that is the only thing right now that is keeping me from saying the Dodgers are the favorites to win the divison next year.

LaRoche had a mere 60 PAs in September; not much of a sample size for statistic, but observationally, I saw a credible fielder at 3B that won’t require a defensive caddy like, say, Garrett Atkins does, and a nice, clean, compact swing. (He did hit .278 to the end of the season, once he started getting regular (consecutive) starts.

Batters that scouts like – and they like LaRoche – that show hitting talent, and that have minor league K/BB ratios that improve toward 1, tend to succeed at the MLB level. I’m not predicting superstardom, but .270/.350/.450 with ~20 HRs is a reasonable guess, IMO. That’s more than Nomar’s been giving us for a season and a half.

Delwyn Young has had 41 major-league PAs, career, so none of us has seen him much, except at the minor-league level. I agree that the ball does seem to jump off his bat – does he square it up at a high percentage? – but I also saw a bit of a long swing. In my wildest dreams he would be a Jimmy Wynn-esque hitter, but he put up his big AAA numbers at 25 – a bit old – and still maintains a disturbing K/BB ratio of 2.77 (244/88) career AAA, with a MiLB career 2.6, showing no real improvement. Batters that show hitting talent, but have K/BB like that in the minors, tend to struggle at the MLB level as higher quality pitchers fool them more often.

That said, Young did make Barry Zito pay for that hanging curve in Dodger Stadium last September – that pitch was tattooed.

Fun with stats, LaRoche and Young.

In about 61% of the MiLB ABs (not PAs, because I’m looking at XBHs), LaRoche has hit 88% of the HRs Young has, and 44% of the doubles/triples.

Personally, I’m more concerned that LaRoche’s back will turn into a continuous concern than that he will be at least an NL league-average 3B.

Given that Kuroda shores up the 4-spot with a good amount of innings, I don’t see the D’s carrying 12 pitchers out of ST. Assuming that JP will still be around, that 12th pitcher becomes an opening to carry 6 OFers, allowing Young and Repko a spot on the team. Young’s out of options, Repko I understand has one left, so that situation also allows a little leeway for personnel moves provided JPs still on the opening day roster.

LaRoche/Nomar will play itself out for supremacy in ST, and whomever wins I surmize will give us decent numbers with the loser providing capable back-up.

The rest of the roster looks pretty well set with the exception of reserve infielder, but those guys are a dime a dozen, and in a pinch Young can play a little 2B. Hu & Abreu I send down to Vegas to keep them sharp in the event Furcal or Kent go down.

If Loaiza’s marginally effective, what do you do with him should Schmidt bounce back to take 5-hole? Does he become this years Hendrickson?, or do you release him and let $7 mil go down the drain?

We’re also quite devoid of lefthanders. Kuo stinks out of the pen, and Biemel isn’t exactly lights out. That’s still a weakness that Ned needs to address before the season starts.

MESSAGEBEARER: Your right on the money in your comment of 12/22 at 9:40AM PT. I can’t understand why people don’t just leave it alone. Pierre is not going anywhere until the play begins. Then it will be in Torre’s hands.

I agree with old fogey about Delwyn Young. I don’t remember who was pitching, but I have seen Young just demolish the ball. On the other hand, his major league career has been very short, and he struck out an awful lot in the minors. In short, Young is an unproven quantity and one that I feel somewhat uneasy about. If I had to pick the top prospect most likely not to succeed at the major league level, I would have to go with DYoung. Of course, I hope he makes me eat my words.

Jason Repko is a joy to watch … until about ten seconds after he runs through a wall. I think that Repko is overrated out of love for his hustle. But the reality is that nothing that Repko has done at any level should make anybody beleive his major league career will be anything more than exciting with pedestrian production.

What I would really like to see is us pick up a third really solid outfielder such as Alex Rios. As things stand we have:

1) a proven star in Jones

2) an emerging superstar in Kemp

3) a solid but unspectacular third outfielder in Ethier

4) Pierre

5) An injury-prone, exciting, but ultimately mediocre Repko

6) A very unknown quantity in DYoung

If Jones, Kemp or Ethier get injured, Repko and Young may not be enough to hold down the fort. I can’t believe I’m saying this, but unless we pick up an Alex Rios-type we may actually need to hold on to Pierre for a while. Just as long as Torre will only play him to the degree he merits.

Winning Dodger teams have frequently had some position players that were marginal. They have never won a playoff series without outstanding pitching. This is why I am excited about having: Bills, Penny, Lowe, Kuroda, and Schmidt/Loaiza/Kuo/Meloan/McDonald/Kershaw, plus Broxton and Saito.

The west will be sooooo tough next year. You could argue that every team has improved and every team(maybe excluding the Giants) has a chance to win the division. The bad thing is, I see everybody beating up on each other throughout the season which will cause the wild card to come out of another division. Its not fair but its reality. I’ve read a few articles on this subject and this is where people seem to think the teams will finish:
1. AZ

2. Rox

3. Dodgers

4. Pads

5. Gnats

Here is where I think the teams will finish:

1. Rox

2. Dodgers

3. AZ

4. Pads

5. Gnats

It comes down to the pitching. I think our offense will compete as well as anyone in the NL West and National League, especially if we start Ethier or Young in LF instead of Pierre. Penny and Lowe need to show up in September however. That has been a big problem the last couple of years. Penny faded and Lowe was somewhat injured in Sept 07. We needed those guys to step it up down the stretch last year and they didn’t/couldn’t for whatever reason. Also, our starting pitching needs to average at least 6 innings per start from April thru August for our bullpen to be effective in September. Kuroda should help and hopefully Schmidt/Loaiza/Kuo. Our bullpen was worn out going into the stretch last year.

It may be overlooked/underrated, but good/great defense keeps starting pitchers in the game longer.

Pitching and defense win championships. It is ironic, but they feed on each other.

It’s funny old fogey, if I knew nothing about the Dodgers last september I would have said that Young was the highly touted prospect and LaRoche was the guy who didn’t make it to AAA until he was 25. I wouldn’t be surprised if its a mental thing that made DY successful last september and made LaRoche less then impressive…

I really hope we resign Seanez. He was very important to our pen last season.

Seanez did a good job for us last year. I would be surprised if he is not invited to Spring Training.

I know this is out-of-left-field, pun intended, but what about a deal such as ET or DYoung plus a pitching prospect not named Kershaw for Griffey Jr.?

Griffey Jr is in the last year of his deal with an option for next year. I know he has been injury prone since moving to Cincy but he has put up excellent numbers and can easily man RF or LF. I would try and fit Pierre in there but I am not sure of Dusty’s relationship with Pierre.

And OF of:

Kemp

Jones

Griffey Jr.

That would be a great christmas prezzie for sure…

MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY HOLIDAY TO EVERYBODY

This is good reading. I hope the Dodgers follow the same philosophy:

http://losangeles.dodgers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071224&content_id=2336330&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Merry Christmas!

The Dodgers should jump back into the Santana sweepstakes. They could offer a few secondary prospects and maybe even include Lowe ,if Minn. is interested. I don’t understand why Neds not interested unless it’s more about the money than anything else. The Ds secondary prospects are equal or better than some others prime prospects and Santanna is still the premier lefty in the game.

swood-

LaRoche was NOT “less than impressive” considering there’s more to baseball than offense. His defense was fantastic, making several spectacular plays at 3rd that saved runs. Quit harping on his batting average. It’s a small sample size, anyway.

Spring Training should be particularly interesting.
There will be the 3B contest between Nomar and LaRoche, maybe even Abreu. Hopefully the outfield will be open for genuine competition between Ethier, Kemp and Pierre, maybe even including Young and Repko. Unless Repko is prepared to make a splash, I think it will be his turn out, because he is out of options. The fifth starter slot I think is wide open, and that competition could last a couple of months into the season. May the best men come forward, and may Torre be as objective as we all expect him to be.

That is all we are asking. Put the best team on the field regardless of how much they are getting paid. Nomar and Pierre need to win the jobs and not just be handed them because they have fat contracts. If they do, then that is great. If not, sit down and be quiet. I do not want a repeat of last year when Loney outperformed Nomar and still did not get the starting 1st base job from day 1.

Fliegel,

The problem with Santana and the Twins is that they will not take our secondary prospects, period. Its the same problem we are having with every team on the trade market. If they are going to give up top-flight talent than they need a premier prospects– regardless of whether or not our secondary prospects would in fact be top prospects for another organization. It is a matter of saving yes.

And, also, i think the money component certainly has something to do with it. 7 year deal for that much money is simply crazy for a pitcher. If we could do it for Hu, Abreu, Elbert, McDonald, Meloan, D.Young than i am all for it, but they would demand Bills, Kersh, Kemp, Broxton— its just the sad truth…

All of that being said, i dont think we could put together a better package than the Yanks or Sox without giving up a top flight prospect, bc they have both been more than willing to get rid of Melky, Hughes, Ellsbury, Lester, etc… However, it is possible they would rather deal with us for less bc they dont need to play us except for the WS, but i doubt it…..

momoracci- A couple of nice defensive plays doesn’t make someone who hits around .220 impressive. I’m not at all saying LaRoche isn’t good, or that he isn’t the answer next year, all I’m saying is that I was not at all impressed with his play last seaon… tell me if LaRoche wasn’t a top prospect who had been very good in the minors would you think he was a promising player(especially considering his offensive numbers)?

I understand that it was only a small sample, which is why I’m not passing judgement as to if he will be a good player in the future. I can only comment on the small sample of play that I have seen from him, which in my opinion wasn’t very impressive.

although i don’t know enough about laroche or have seen enough to call him ‘the answer’…
i do recall watching konerko struggle during his early stints with the Blue…

before being shipped away and becoming exactly what we needed for years.

perhaps it’s a little too early to pass judgement. at this point, not exactly a zillion great options out there.

ewk216@nyu.edu You’re probably right about Santana, but my thinking was wouldn’t Minn. rather trade him to the NL? All I’m saying is that Ned should explore exactly what it would take to get him here, it might not have to be the top guys going back, just some quality prospects. After all Cabrera went to Detroit for less than what was asked for from the Ds, and with Santana it might be worth exploring. So far the Yanks and Sox haven’t got it done, and that may have more to do with not wanting to trade him within their own league rather than who they’re getting back.

I doubt Ned will get back into the santana race… my bet is that hes staying with the twins. I really hope Kuo wins the 5th starting spot.

I love ALL the moves Colletti has made I am back on the Colletti band wagon.
Now we have a manager that isn’t afraid to play the best nine!! I can’t wait for March!!

For all you people down on Laroche what he has done in the big leagues for his first 93 AB’s means nothing. trust the scouts ALL of them say LaRoche is going to be a stud. Here are some comaprisons:

LaRoche 35 games .226 avg 93AB’s

Kemp 52 games .253 avg 154 AB’s

Piazza 21 games .232 avg 69 AB’s

Garvey 34 games .269 avg 93 AB’s

Arod 17 games 54 AB’s .204

next year 48 games .232 avg 142 AB’s

Kouzmanoff 16 games .214 avg 56 AB’s

march/April of the next year 21 games .113 avg 71 AB’s

he finished the year .275 avg 18 Hr’s 74 RBI

My point is if you are going to be down on LaRoche give him a full season!!!!

Kemp

I agree diehard, LaRoche should be given a real chance to show what he can do, not a sporadic few games here and there. Little screwed around with LaRoche like he did with Betemit (whom I felt could’ve been a solid player if he’d have stayed with him) and just about everyone else (except inexplicably not with JP. Little stuck him in the line-up no matter what, but I digress…)

Though I’m sure Torre will have Nomar and LaRoche square off for the position let’s face it, even if Nomar wins he’ll at some point breakdown if he plays everyday. In the meantime, LR languishes on the bench.

I think Nomar is much more valuable at this point in his career and physically to become a roll player/super sub who gets spot starts at 1B, 3B and SS spelling the regulars 12-15 starts each, plus PHing. Should give him a good 225-300 PAs while saving him from the day-in/day-out grind.

Hey Gang,
Hope everyone had a great Christmas. LaRoche will perform very well given a reasonable shot. I am not worried about 3rd base with LaRoche and Nomar battling for the position. One of them will come thru. Remember, all we need is league average production from that position for the time being. That would be a huge improvement over last year. To me, the straw that broke the camels back was when Wolfe went down. If you recall, we had the best record in the NL in July. That is with nothing from Schmidt, Pierre in center, Furcal not really getting it done at the plate because of injuries, and nothing from 3rd base. We covered up pretty well until we lost our #3 starter in Wolfe. With a healthy Furcal, Loney starting at 1st from day one, Jones in center, and so far a solid 1-4 starting rotation and better than average bullpen, we don’t have near as many holes as last year. Just 3rd base(which I don’t think will be a problem with LaRoche/Nomar), left field(which should not be a problem if Torre plays the outfielder that performs best coming out of Spring Training), and the 5th spot in the rotation(which one of Schmidt/Loaiza/Kuo, etc..) should take care of. Overall, we are in great shape for 08 and beyond if we don’t panic.

Don’t make the mistake with Kershaw that we made with Edwin Jackson. He needs a year at AAA. Also, don’t give up on LaRoche like we did on Konerko.

Thankfully, we are in a position now to be proactive instead of reactive.

It will not suprise me to see the pads fighting with the gnats for the cellar next year. They are counting on Wolf and Prior to pitch entire seasons good luck. See how many ex Dodgers they can scrape up this year.

Madres stink!!

gnats stink!!!!

GO DODGERS!!!!!

diehard- First of all, I just wanted to say hey whats up, hows it going little buddy, I havent talked to you in a while, second I read your post on LaRoche and I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I am not at all arguing that LaRoche won’t be a good player in the future, I’m just saying he didn’t impress me in his first real mlb action as much as Kemp, Ethier, Martin, Loney etc did.

Wait a second… I remember when everyone was calling Betemit “wilson .194″ and complaining that his low average and high K ratio was killing our offense. Now that hes gone everyone is saying how its all Gradys fault for why Wilson didn’t meet expectations… sorry to play devils advocate here but I think you guys are blaming Grady too much for that disaster.

The things that I am most worried about are the outfield situation and the 5th spot in the rotation. And of course… how tough the west looks like its going to be next year. lol

Diehard- The pads pitching is still at the top of the NL. I think its a little premature to say they will be fighting with the Gnats to stay out of the cellar…

Perfect “A-HOLE OF THE MOMENT” OVER AT DODGERBLUES….

> 12.18.07 – The Front Office

Assuring that no one in the organization will have time to get to know eachother, evaluate talent, or even sleep, the Dodgers will be splitting time in Spring Training between Florida, Arizona, China, Anaheim, and Los Angeles. Sounds pretty logical.

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