I've gotta say it was a good day

So that was, um, a big win.

I'm guessing most of you agree at this point that today was our biggest win of the season, to date. If we are able to erase this deficit and get to the postseason, it's safe to say that we'll point to this victory as the day that the team's fortunes turned. And since we have erased four games off the first-place lead over the last 18 days, it's entirely possible that it can be done again over the next 18 days, which would put the Dodgers in first place by half a game with one week left to play.

This was truly a team victory, with help coming from the young guys (Loney, Kemp and Ethier), the guys in their prime (Beimel and Lowe) and the veterans (Saito and Gonzo).

I'm sure a few of you are wondering what Luis Gonzalez's main contribution was today and while he went 0-for-4 on the field in a tough game for him, he was the driving force behind the postgame festivities. As has been a ritual in Major League clubhouse for many years, at the end of the season the rookies often are required to dress up in some sort of outfit that is intended to embarrass them and bring a little humility to them. A couple years ago, we had all of our first-year players in ******* outfits as we left San Francisco, which was a sight to see.

Last year, no one wound up taking the reins and making this happen so this season, Gonzo decided that it would be good team bonding if all of those guys had to get the "rookie treatment" for the day.

So, he organized the whole thing and there were about a dozen players on the plane with us who looked absolutely ridiculous in their costumes. Yet, the postgame shenanigans absolutely generated clubhouse chemistry and camaraderie like nothing we've seen this year. Every player, young and old, was laughing hysterically at these outfits. Among them:

Chad Billingsley as Robin Hood

James Loney dressed as Popeye
Chin-lung Hu dressed as a sorcerer
Tony Abreu dressed as Pocahantas
Delwyn Young as Snow White
Andy LaRoche in full clown attire
Russell Martin as Nacho Libre
Jonathan Broxton as a monk
Andre Ethier and Eric Hull in strange Vegas showgirl type outfits
and the kicker of them all was Matt Kemp, who was in some sort of "fat suit" with a bikini.

Of course, for many years this ritual was kept hidden from the public but in today's My Space and You Tube age, I'm guessing that many of the photos are already circulating around the Internet, as the players were paraded around outside Wrigley Field in front of the fans and then dropped off a few blocks from our hotel in San Francisco and are now walking back here so that they could walk amongst the public. Many people commented that they won't stand out in San Francisco and having seen that city at Halloween, they might be right. But there's a lot to be said about a win like this and what it does for the team.

Now it's on to AT&T Park, where the team has won the last 11 games and hoping to make it 14. Tomorrow Chad gets a chance to win his 11th game and while I don't even know how to explain the outfit he was stuck wearing after today's game, it's safe to say I'm looking forward to seeing him back in a Dodger uniform at 7:05 tomorrow night.

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Sounds like a fun way to celebrate pulling out a sweet September win. Glad to see the team won't give up, hope to see this attitude far into October. (though maybe without all the costumes)

Where are the pics?


But I'd prefer Gonzo contribute in the game. If we need him to be a party planner, he can always be hired as a "special assistant"...

I know there's a lot going on that we all don't know about in the clubhouse, and "chemistry" is important...but I really hope Grady sees the future is NOW, and Gonzo is a PH at best.

Ethier, Kemp and Pierre are our OF for the rest of the year.

Nice to hear some inside stuff, but it doesn't count in the standings. We need our best line-up everyday. And right now, that's without Gonzo.

No offense, he did his role for a little while but now, Kemp and Ethier are who needs to play.

LETS GO BLUE!!!!

Funny stuff..itd like to see all of those pics cept for tonys, erics and andres. Something about their outfits just rubs me the wrong way. Lets hope every other pitcher in the division decides to take 3 days off. Heres to makin the playoffs.


*cheers*

Dear Ned,


DON'T LET LOGAN WHITE GO!!!!!!

http://dodgerthoughts.baseballtoaster.com/archives/794227.html

Mr. McCourt:
Please do not let Logan White go. Colletti will not take this club anywhere, It will be a shame to lose White only to have to find Colletti's replacement from another organization. White should be our GM - so make the change NOW. Colletti $ucks BAD!!!

Little opted to let Lowe hit for himself in the seventh with two outs and two on.


"We thought he might've had a couple of more innings at that point," Little said.

Is he serious? If he is we are screwed, good teams will not let you comeback most of the time. There are the exceptions but he's putting us against the tide.

With a one run lead at Wriggly field .??????

Grady continues to show that he has never learned from the Pedro Martinez incident. How many times this season has he passed up scoring opportunities in an attempt to squeeze one more inning from his starter? Yesterday, pinch hitting for Lowe was obvious in the 7th. Lowe would have left with at worst a 2-1 lead, having pitched 6 solid innings. Instead, Grady let Lowe hit and Lowe was out of gas for the 7th. While the end results were good due to Ethier, it's another example of how Little appears overmatched in crucial game changing decisions.

I have not bagged on Grady too much this season, but to me, he appears to be the "Lloyd Carr" of MLB managers. Grady seems to be just good enough, or perhaps he would excel in a smaller market, but in large markets with high expectations, I'm not sure Little is the right choice. His low key, down home approach just doesn't always seems to be the right fit in Los Angeles. While I'm not advocating someone volatile like Pinella, I do think the Dodgers would benefit from a more cerebral manager such as a Kevin Kennedy.

tnx for the info Josh! good stuff!!!


nice time to celebrate!

Hope to see them trash the gnats tonight!

Go DODGERS!!!

Instead of Grady - maybe someone like Gibson, Hersheiser or Girardi. That change, of course, will not happen with Colletti at the helm, so, first of all, Colletti must GO.
Keep LOGAN WHITE for 2008!!!

How about someone like Kirk Gibson for manager? His kind of drive and enthusiasm is contagious. Gonzo may be very useful in the clubhouse and as a pinch-hitter, but he should be confined to those roles. Almost all of the times that this club explodes with runs is when the kids are playing. Why is that so hard for Grady to see??? Keep the kids in and add Young to the mix as well. Think of where the club could be if Billingsley had been a starter and Loney, Ethier, and Kemp were regulars from Day 1!!! Please Mr. McCourt, hold your managers responsible for their blunders and make the needed changes to ensure Dodger dominance for years to come!!

im just wondering why everybody is saying "if the kids had started from day one we would be in first place"
now to me thats just a little off..remember gonzo had a great first half and we were in first a lot of the first half. and if you guys dont remember but ethier was stuggling in the first half as well. once bill mueller took over as hitting coach, ethier started to get going. now that gonzo is struggling, he is prolly just tried i mean he is 40 years old. so i think ethier kemp and pierre should be staring everyday. but to say that we would be in first with all of ours rookies starting from day one is a little off

Please, please, please. Do not let Logan White go. Fire Ned Colletti. Make Logan White GM. Wouldn't it be nice to have a competent GM again?

I think the 2 most crucial personnel decisions this season have been to let Loney start the season at Vegas and for Bills to start the season in the 'pen. Loney hit .380 at Vegas last season and over .400 in spring training. Bills was the most consistent 2nd half starter last season. I think the decision on these two players has cost the Dodgers first place so far. I believe these decisions have conservatively cost the Dodgers 6-8 wins at a minimum. Pitching Tomko in lieu of Bills may cost the Dodgers the playoffs.

Exactly RIGHT, jkeezell!
We need to make a total management change. OUT with Colletti and Little!!!

I read today that the Dodgers were asked permission from Astros to speak to Logan...Boy, I hope he doesn't go....that would be awful for the Blue...Please stay Logan...


That game yesterday made me so happy...especially the way Andre ran the bases with a big smile and a fist pump..Would loved to see all the guys in their costumes too....seems like they had some fun...nice to see...

Now go and sweep SF...

Henderickson, Tomko both threw 200 innings of 5+ era ball before Bills was given a chance. Both players have still thrown more innings as a dodger in 2007 than Bills has. How can anyone say this is not a misuse of talent. Bills is 10-4 with a 3.30 era. Give him 10 more starts and we could be looking at a 15 game winner with an era under 4. Instead we threw 2 guys out for 29 starts that got us 3 wins total.


Gonzo, Ethier, Kemp have all created more runs on offense than Pierre. Yet Pierre will never not play and those guys platoon.

Runs created per game:

Pierre 4.2

Gonzo 5.6

Kemp 7.2

Ethier 5.6

kent 6.1

martin 6.5

Furcal 4.4 (6.2 last year)

Nomar 4.4 (6.6 last year)

And yes we gave Nomar 400 ABs at first base and Loney has all but eclipsed his numbers (more HR, higher avg etc) in a little more than half his ABs while being far supierior on defense.

I mean what's done is done, but it's fair criticism. So for me its:

1. bills not starting and hendu tomko starting instead.

2. Kemp/Ethier not playing over Pierre more often.

3. Nomar over Loney

4. giving our two weakest hitters the most at bats. I understand one guy, but not both. take your pick, I don't care.

Who ever picked out the characters did a dang good job. As I was reading them I could picture each one of them dressed up. I can't wait for JB to get home so I can see the pics. I'll bet there hilarious.

I'll reserve judgement on Colletti for one more year, although if it comes to keeping either Colletti or Logan White, we need to keep White. Colletti, like all GM's, has made some good moves and has had some blunders. Ethier, Maddux, Saito and Betamit (acquiring him) were all great moves. Hendricksen, Tomko, Lugo were terrible moves. Geting Baez even at cost of Jackson I can understand because at the time, the Dodgers had no bullpen depth. Signing Wolf was a risk, but it paid off early. The Schmidt signing was applauded last off season. Let's see how he recovers from surgery before we write that signing off. I think the Loiaza deal was a smart move because of the relatively low cost of Loaiza and no prospect was dealt.


As for Little, I just feel his game management and lineup flip flopping has really been detrimental to the team. While none of us have any idea regarding players health, attitude, etc,. it's seems on the surface though Little's decisions are easy to second guess. Plus, he was behind not starting Loney or Bills which may cost us the playoffs.

I have a question for anybody who can answer it...Why does Pierre not get any days off? I am wondering if there is a clause in his contract or if he is on a long consecutive games played streak, I can't understand and I really am askikng this question legitimately....

Jungar,


Good points. I'd be curious to know how many times Pierre has scored a run after he stole a base. We always talk about his speed and the pressure it puts on the opposition, but he has scored around 90 runs and driven in roughly 35. Are his steals really that relevant? Hypothetically, wouldn't Delwyn Young in the OF next season hitting .275 with 16hr's and 75 rbi's mean more to the lineup than Pierre? Also, speaking of steals, how come Little never has Furcal and Pierre double steal when both are on base at same time? Is he afraid to make first out at 3rd? What's the point of having them hit 1-2 if not for the threat of a double steal?

I agree. Being from Ga I've seen this same thing happen in Atlanta. For 14 years Bobby Cox has put 1 line-up on the field from day one. Last year he started platooning players and they never could get in a rythm and eventually cost them their streak of postseason apperances. Little is doing the same thing. I personally think that if our young guys ,excluding LaRoach, had started the season in the bigs that we'd probably have a 2-5 game lead in the division. Hopefully that and the Tomko Hendy starts don't kill us in the end. We're hot right now and if Grady plays the young guys I believe we'll make the playoffs.

I've wondered why Pierre never gets the day off as well, but if we do have to play him, why not move him to LF and put Kemp in center? At least then every runner in the league will not take 3rd on a groundball up the middle. His arm in Cf has really cost the Dodgers this season. I've never seen so many runners go from 1rst to 3rd as I have this season.

kiper..
Pierre has a consecutive games played streak that's getting close to 400 I believe. May be more than that but I'm too lazy to check right now

Kiper,
Pierre is the current leader in consecutive games played in the major leagues, and rightly or wrongly that's probably why Grady keeps him in every game without fail. It's somewhat inconceivable that management would have given him a contract clause whereby he will play every game barring injury, but when I asked Josh about that on this forum, I never got an answer.

The streak means nothing. Theres no reason he should play everyday, especially against a pitcher he has no success against. Its insane.

I appreciate the knowledge, it just seemed strange that as unproductive as he is, he gets no days off... thanks guys.

Bad management aside, this SF series could prove to be huge for us. Arizona is starting a series against the hot St. Louis Cards and the Pads are beginning a series in Colorado against the always dangerous Rockies. This is a great opportunity for us to pick up a game or two on both teams with a sweep of SF.

Memo to Grady Little: If you walk Bonds 12 times in the series, there's nothing wrong with that. If the Giants are gonna beat us, and I hope they don't, just don't let it be Bonds.

I am not a fan of rooting for a groundball to have eyes or to watch furcal try and throw guys out from shallow CF on relays. Not a fan of watching pop ups that make it all the way to deep 2nd. Steals don't excite me as much as extra base hits do. I admit it's this watching bias (for real it's simply hard for me to watch Pierre) along with the actual numbers that has me thinking, no way I can handle 4 more years of this guy. And I feel bad because Pierre seems like a great guy a nice guy and someone who works hard and keeps his nose clean etc. A real role model type, but it's his style of play that I am at odds with..


But Charris is right what matters is what happens now and this weekend..

We have a reason to want to make the playoffs other than the obvious ones...A writer on si.com has declared several teams out of the playoffs already, and the Dodgers are one of them...Let's prove him wrong!!!!

jungar, i agree with you that it's not easy watching a guy like Pierre play, but I think that next season, and beyond, with the young kids coming of age and the Dodgers hitting for a bit more power and scoring more runs, and Gonzo out of the way, Pierre's shortcomings will not be so obvious.

Memo to Grady Little: If you walk Bonds 12 times in the series, there's nothing wrong with that. If the Giants are gonna beat us, and I hope they don't, just don't let it be Bonds.


Posted by: kiper04@yahoo.com | September 7, 2007 10:31 AM

Wow you rather see the gnats beats than face that old man barry? We have faced him all year pound him with nothing but inside fastballs he can't hit anymore. He was our scapegoat last time in frisco. We have to go after him!!

IF Kemp and Ethier are on the bench. I will be on suicide watch!

diehardblu, when he turns on a fastball this weekend and he hits it 435 ft....I'll be here waiting to hear from you.

When's the last time both Kemp and Ethier have been on the bench? I can't think of the last time that's happened.

Here's hoping the success in the *** Bay continues. A sweep would be nice. I noticed after Baroid got his record, the Gnats went on a bit of a hot streak for a bit, then came back to earth and cooled off. I like our chances!!
Now on the other hand, I hope the Cards beat the Snakes, so the Dodgers can gain more ground in the standings.

GO DODGERS!!!

Yeah, I'd be willing to bet that Ethier and Kemp start tonight against a rookie lefty, Gonzo and Kemp start against Zito tomorrow, both have good numbers against Zito this season. And then Ethier and Kemp start again Sunday, because Gonzo has terrible numbers against Cain.

kiper I will be here after barry goes o fer the series like he did last time!!!!


hey leftttttt if one of those guys is on the bench I'm on suicide watch!!!!

GONZO SHOULD NOT START THIS WHOLE WEEKEND!!!! I don't care about his career numbers all those are when he was in his prime. Gonzo should not see the field he should only pinch hit!!!

I agree diehardblu. The kids are on a role and they don't need to be messed with. You can't go on past numbers with Gonzo anymore. He's not the same player.

Gonzo should be the designated clubhouse social director, which position he's apparently adopted. Don't even let him on the field for the rest of the season, unless we're at least ten runs ahead. Get rid of him immediately when the season ends.

Gonzo and Kemp start against Zito tomorrow, both have good numbers against Zito this season.


THIS SEASON! Did I say lifetime, read it carefully.

Actually, you know what why don't some of you attack me now and then shut the heck up tomorrow when Gonzo is in the lineup. That way we can just skip all the predictable BS.

gonzo 3 for 6 this year against zito is a much better indicator than him hitting under .250 for two months! Ethier zero at bats career against the gnats ace who is signed for 7 years. Who should play?


Nomar back in lineup today.

Gonzo was 3 for 4 the first game Zito pitched in April and 1 for 5 the next time which was Aug 2. So you can't go by that 3 for 6.

>>>>>

chingon..


are you sure about Nomar?..that's the worst news I've heard today...say it ain't so..

I hope Nomar isn't playing. He just said that he couldn't run at 100% right now. I guess you don't need to hustle anymore?

i think it's not true...
nomar can't even save his life if he was going to be chase by a snail... LOL

According to SI, Glaus was a roid user.

James Loney, who singled, doubled and homered in the game, is batting .417 (10 for 24) through the first seven games of this 10-game trip. ...


WHY IS HE STILL HITTING 7th?

Why does gonzo ALWAYS bat ahead of him?

You guys can be so gullible, there isn't one source out there that says Nomar can play the field yet. It's 12:45, lineups aren't even posted on here until normally three hours before the first pitch. Still, you believe a random post saying Nomar will start tonight. You guys are too much...


Now, look regarding Ethier, Kemp and Gonzo. My point is this, if Ethier and Kemp started every game from here on out I wouldn't complain one bit. I'm simply pointing out to you what's going to happen. Gonzo is on this team, he's going to play in S.F, I'm just letting those of you know when most likely he will play. So, by all means let out the frustration now.

That I agree with, but a while back Loney was stuggling offensively, so Loney was moved back down to 7th. With his bat heating up, if Gonzo is in the lineup I do agree Loney should bat 5th. Especially on the road where his numbers are absolutely phenominal!!!


Loney on the road this season:

.387 .437 .677 1.114

alex was rayt...
we need to accept it...

we all know gonzo will play anyway!

but for me Kemp should be there everyday...

i can accept platooning ethier and Gonzo for now.. coz we don't have choice... gonzo will play.. he is signed for one year to play...

Its a justified frustration. I guarantee you if we miracuously made the playoffs gonzo would play in every game, even though he shouldn't be. One game lost because Grady doesn't believe in "nintendo baseball" where statistics are actually important is unacceptable. We played a crucial game yesterday and Gonzo has for absolutely awful at bats. What excuse is there really? He's old and he's only going to get older as the end of the season nears. Remember Lofton in the playoffs? He was great for us during the year but by then he was done. Its understandable of a 39 year old.

What about Gonzo and Nomar's struggling why is it taking so long for them to move down. A manager should not have double standards he should play the best regardless how much they make or cry!!


One question Alex

"Gonzo is on this team, he's going to play in S.F, I'm just letting those of you know when most likely he will play".

WHY??????

Yeah as much as we hate it he'll be in there at some time or another. Maybe tonight. He'll tell Grady... Either needs another day off because he's to caught up in yesterdays win. I can kill this kid on the hill so I need to play. And Grady will put him in there.

WHY DOES Gonzo HAVE TO PLAY???
Its not in his contract he thinks he's going to get 3,000 hits what team would he start on? I can't think of a worst left fielder, could you guys help me?

difference with Lofton last year we didn't have anyone to play ahead of him.

Gonzo should call the Royals. I'm sure they'd let him come in and play over there young guys. He can DH there too.

Mike Sweeney is the DH. Gathright the left fielder is hitting .318

The better question is why does Pierre have to play every second of every game? If everyone else can platoon a little and share some at bats why can't he? He has been doing alot better etc and I am not even saying bench him, I realize that won't happen but is he so valuable that he can't rest?


Yeah I know I was just being sarcastic. He needs to go coach is girls in softball.

I know where he could find a great assistant to help coach his girls...Grady.

And I guess that leaves Ned to pick the players.

With the trouble Furcal's having at the plate these days, I wonder what the chances are of Hu, or Abreu getting back in the lineup. I'd also like to see Young get some playing time soon possibly coming in for Pierre.

Nomar in. Ethier in the 8 hole, start the whining now.

Please tell me you're joking?

They have the line-ups posted already? Isn't it kinda early?

I sure hope he's joking!

There's no way Nomar is starting. He can't run, he will be used in pinch hit situations where he can drive in runs with a hit and he doesn't have to go past 1st base. HE IS NOT STARTING!!!

Here's my guess for tonite:
Furcal SS

Pierre CF

Kemp RF

Kent 2B

Martin C

Loney 1B

Ethier LF

LaRoche 3B

Bills P

But hey, I'm no Grady Little.

Hey, Nomar is the veteran here, right?
He'll play when he says he's ready, O.K.?

If he can't run, you can be assured he'll give it his "best shot" - what more can any of us ask?

If Nomar is in the lineup and Ethier is batting 8th i will drive up to San Fran and personally beat the stupid out of grady little.

Max I am coming from Riverside and will pick you up on the way to frisco!

I wonder if Russell's knee is still good after the game yesterday and the flight to the *** bay.

Good lineup kiper04...I agree.

i'll rent a bus and we'll all go up there and beat the stupid out of grady if Nomar is in the lineup.

I think alex is just trying to predict the fairly unpredictable circulation of our outfielders--I don't think he's advocating for it, but he seems to have figured out what Grady does.


Why does Gonzo HAVE to play? Why does Pierre HAVE to play? There's no requirement, to be sure, but there is a pretty clear understanding that if a guy is signed for $8 or $9 Million a year, he is going to play unless he is just horrible. You can say that Pierre or Gonzo are not good, or are not as good as Ethier or Kemp (or even Del Young, though that's pretty early to hope for), but I mean the kind of bad that eventually got Mike Davis benched in 1988 (.197 batting average).

Also, don't expect to see too much of Hu, Abreu, or Valdez at shortstop. Furcal is the guy. His ankles are supposedly better, and even though his production is down, a September pennant race is not the time to be trying guys out, and no one in baseball is likely to do that. You could argue that we should have given more guys more playing time earlier in the season, and I would not disagree, but for the next 22 games, we know our 5 starters, and 8 (or 9 or 10--depending on the rotation at 3B and the 4-man outfield) position players. The rest of the guys are defensive replacements, pinch-hitters, pinch-runners, and back-ups.

Kiper the only thing thats wrong with that lineup is that I don't like Ethier and Loney right after one another. Its good to have a right handed bat seperating those two. It makes it tougher on opposing pitchers having to alternate pitching to righties and lefties. Besides in late innings the other team would for sure bring a left handed pitcher to pitch to Loney and Ethier, even though both of them are good against lefties, its good that Grady always puts a right handed bat in between them. Hopefully LaRoche will continue to play every day like Grady said he would.

Agreed leekfink, Grady is handcuffed into playing Gonzo and Pierre because of their contracts. I have said that many times before...

If Grady does like he did on Wells last start, Russ will get tomorrow off, and Lieberthal will catch the day game. Sure wouldn't want to aggravate Russ' knee at this point heading for the home stretch.

Excuses!!!!!!!!!!
He should not going to risk his job because and OLD veteran makes 7 million a year. Or start hendy & bomko over Billingsley because they make more. Grady doesn't need to worry about the payroll, quit making excuses for him he's the one that makes the line up and the starting rotation.

I have to agree with the Grady being handcuffed thing. I think he's just trying to weather the storm unitl next season when Gonzo is gone. Then he won't have to worry about playing him. I also think that we may trade or release Nomar. Grady never platooned in Boston that's why I think he's handcuffed. I do think he could do a better job at how and when he uses the bullpen.

"The fact that we've won so many tight games is a testament to how he's used our roster," Arizona general manager Josh Byrnes said of Melvin. "He's pushed a lot of the right buttons."


NOTICE: The GM was complementing the manager for his use of the roster. Little makes the decisions of who he wants to play.

Diehard its not an excuse its reality. Its obvious Grady is pressured with the Gonzo and Pierre thing. You know I haven't always been behind him with some of the stuff he does but there is no doubt he is pressured by management to play Gonzo and Pierre and put them in spots in the lineup where they can produce.

I agree with diehardblu, you can't base your line up on how much a player makes. I don't think, however, that Grady does that. Gonzo is in the line up because he is a veteran who's put up good numbers in the past and he has a 1 year contract, besides his playing time is down. As far as JP, well he's got a 5 year contract, they will play him every day and as long as he's hitting around .300 and stealing 50+ bases....well.

Notice diehard Arizonas management didn't make any stupid offseason veteran signings like Ned did.

That's great that Byrnes has praised Melvin for his use of the roster in tight games.....Don't the Dodgers have one of the best records in MLB in 1 run games??? A true testament to a good manager.

I hate Ned and I think I could do a better job then him.

Good point chingon the Dodgers record in one run games is very good also. Diehard you want to blame everything on Grady and nothing on anybody else.

* and nobody else

I was just pointing out the REALITY of who manages the line ups!!!!!

yeah swood you at 16 who thinks Grady is one of the BEST managers in ALL of baseball could do a better job than Colletti.

Thats what I have been saying all year and you guys have killed me. Grady is just making do the best he can with the **** he was provided.

Is that good record in 1 run games maybe attributable to Grady's bad lineups not scoring enough runs or poor managing erasing comfortable leads?


I think Jim Tracy had a good record in 1 run games while with the Dodgers, does anyone want that loser back?

FYI, Billingsley started the year in the pen because every single young starter in MLB falls off around July/August because they're not used to the workload. It was a genius decision and now we're seeing it pay off. Keep in mind we had Wolf and Schmidt still in the rotation back then.

The DODGERS are the most talented team in the NL. Top to bottom including bullpen, starters, everything. That is not ****.

Jungar I have heard you say that and I have never argued with you on that. Yes Diehard I could. Atleast I wouldn't make stupid Pierre signings. I knew right off the bat that was a bad move. Diehard do you ever rip anybody but Grady?

If Ned will drop the **** at the end of the year and doesn't bring in anymore **** next year then will have the team to beast in the NL.

lol slikkrikk. That's what last year was for when he had a real nice 2nd half as a starter. He didn't start in the rotation due to economics. The other stuff is PR.

Is it worse to fall off in July/August or in April/May like Tomko?

Right on slikkrikk. Diehard you can't say with a straight face that we are the most talented team in baseball. There are atleast 5 or 6 teams in the NL with more talent then us.

Yeah you!!!
I'm sure you would've signed Saito, traded for Ethier, traded Navarro so Martin could play everyday.

Diehard if I was our GM we would have the best talent in the NL.

swood you also think the Rockies are more talented. I'm done arguing with your little ***. go do homework so you can watch the game.

Diehard compare the good trades to the bad trades for Ned. The ratio is like 3 to 1 in favor of bad trades.

scott Surely you jeste! I agree. Tracy's a LOSER!!!!!

Ok, I'll bite swood, what would you have done last offseason. What would today's roster look like if you ran the team?

You guys realize if we didn't have that bad 2 1/2 week strecth, we would not be saying what we are saying, because we would still be in 1 st place.

Diehard 6'0 165 isn't that small. Yes the Rockies are more talented. You still haven't answered why you blame Grady and nobody else. You think Pierre is a good player and you think he was a good signing by Ned I just remembered you stated that. Are you out of your mind? And yes Grady is pressured by management to not waste their big money free agents on the bench.

yeah swood don't just make blanket statements?

I still think the dumbest move that was made all year was letting Dessens go.

diehard I agree the Dodgers have a talented roster. It's just alot of that talent is still very raw, and needs some refining, and seasoning. It all boils down to how well they're managed.

cameron, do you look like your cousin.?????

Alex it wouldn't have Pierre on it. Anyway Diehard you can't give Grady all the credit for signing a japanese player who he'd never seen play before. Some of that has to go to scouts...

If we didn't have that bad 3 weeks stretch this division would be wrapped up. We have the same record as last season at this point in time. I don't think a lot of you realize how good this team is, despite how much you want to think Ned crippled our roster.

Pierre is a champion on a team he was a big part of. He plays hard all the time. Who would you of signed. JD DREW?
6' 165 is pretty small put some weight on.

Alex I just said that look up a couple of post.

Notice diehard none of our position players are in their prime, they're either still developing or past their prime. O wait a second I guess Pierre's in his prime and look at the season hes having... nice choice Ned.

Swood, you've failed in convincing me, you're all talk. I asked for what you would've done since you at 16 think you can G.M a MLB team.

hey diehard/swood


I think Coletti got lucky with Saito since he sent him to AAA to start the year last year. Also, I think we better hope Joel Guzman doesn't turn his career around in Tampa because a