Second half is underway

Been running around today with Manny media at a pretty high level because it’s his first home game. He had some really nice things to say about his teammates and about Juan Pierre in general, which was cool. And hopefully things will be back to normal now that we’ve gotten this behind us.

The big thing is to keep on winning at the rate we’ve been doing so. It’s bound to be a good summer at the stadium and here’s hoping you guys will all be out here plenty to support the team.

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Let’s go
Second half.

Hello Gang!!!! Hope you are all doing well!!! Let’s go Dodgers!!

Anyone having problems with MLB.TV. Can’t get on….

Hey Wally! How are you my brother?

BEEEEEEEEAV!!! Doing well my friend. How about you brother?

Doing well Wally. Back from my travels around Texas and ready for some baseball.

Really not comfortable giving up either Kersh or Billz in a Halliday deal!!!! What’s up with our bullpen, they’re dropping like flys!!!! Geez!!!!

Boblee ~ I’m having trouble with! Can’t even get audio.

Don’t see how trading one starter for another accomplishes anything either Wally. That’s why Ned’s bound to do it.

Hi’Ya Trumom!!! How’ve you been? I gave up on MLBTV. I just go with GameDay Audio. My DSL connection just isn’t fast enough to get very good results.

Think the dinged up bully is clear evidence that JoJo can’t manage a BP – he even used 4 pitchers in an 8-0 blowout.

LOL Beav!!! Geez!!! I’m with you. Not sure we have the prospects the Jays would demand anyway. I think our biggest problem is the common denominator, Honeycutt!!! Looks like we are definately going to have to find some relief help.

Finally got on MLB.TV. took 3 innings before could get on.

Lets teach JP how to throw a knuckleball.

Serious doubts though that he could get any throw all the way to the plate on the fly.

holy crap Vinny just called Furcal Tejada

LOL, probably not Beav!!!!! I guess Schidt isn’t anywhere near returning. What ever happened to Ohman? JoJo is a bullpen killer. Doesn’t help that the starters can’t get past the 5th inning consistantly.

Never got to see, was Manny given a big welcome back to Dodger stadium?

Tell these damn starters to go 7 or 8 and stop wasting over 100+ pc.

Yes, boblee, he got lots of cheers. I didn’t hear any boos.

Ohman – another fine quality Ned Acquisition. Might as well call up Schnitzengruben or whatever the kid’s name was and blow his arm out too – at least he doesn’t figure into any long range plans.

by the 5 innings.

Good evening all!
Just sitting here enjoying watching one of the few Dodger games I can. FSW is broadcasting, and I’ve got the radio simulcast on the computer. Listening to Deshayes, and his lunch meat sidekick ranks up there with watching paint dry. I’d much rather listen to Vin, Charlie, and Rick. At least you can hear some emotion. The Houston announcers are just bland.
Hey enchanted! Did you enjoy the heat while you were here?

Call up Lance Carter, LOL!!! He had a rag arm anyway, JoJo could’t make it any worse. Throw in Danys Baez!!! Crap!!!

Yeah……….I finally got my gameday audio!

Howdy, everybody! I moved my computer outside because it is so damned hot inside my house. Good to see you all. It seemed like an eternity since we last played.

Ohman was great last year how did Ned think he was going to be aful this year? Beimel career wasn’t that good either but he seem to put up good numbers with us.

Yeah VL – was just great! 102 in Hillsboro the first day. Never bothered to check what Houston was – figured I didn’t want to know.

Good for you Tru!!!! Always great to see/read you!!!!

It’s been really hot in my area too, trublu. I’d rather be hot than cold, but it’s been a bit much lately.

oops awful

BonJour Bleu Fille’!!!!

BCG ~ at least there is a nice breeze outside tonight.
I saw you were on last night, Jhall and sorry I missed the fun!

Yeah, Dre………good catch!

Tejada looked so disappointed Dre caught that didn’t he?
Tough luck Miggy! This aint Minute Maid park!

LOL Tru!!! You’re always missed. I worked myself into a lather about Honeycutt, and letting Scioscia, Hershiser, Maddux, and Brett Butler get away.

You boys are in the house all by yourselves I see 🙂

I’m surprise Ned didn’t signed BJ Ryan.

Hey, jhall! Good to see you, and everyone else too.

Me too, Jhall. They would have been great additions to our staff. Mike, Orel and Brett were some of my all-time favorites. Maddux just know everything there is to know about pitching.

MOOOOOOOOM/Nelly!!! BonJour mon amie. Thanks for saving me from myself last night. You’re a doll!!!! Sorry if I was testy!!!!

Yep Tru, darn shame. I really liked and admire all those guys.

Not testy, Jhall. Just a little “miffed” as Enchanted would say!

LOL Tru!!! I’m always a little miffed about why we keep Honeycutt and Ned around!!!

I think 99% of us are miffed! The other 1% thinks we are bashers! lol

Or a cult Tru!!! LMAO!!!!

Somebody better wake up the boys and tell them the game’s started. Poor Wolf can’t pitch any better than this.

jhall/Wally – you never have to worry or apologize to me. You were just making up for all the days you were gone in one shot. Most of us have been testy in bits and pieces.

Yea for Andre for running out that ball and getting a hit 🙂

Yes, we are! The ITD Cult! LMTO!!!!!

A cult run by the Cleaver Family! LOL

I guess we are a cult of sorts!!!! LOL!!!! Beav is mixing up a batch of blue Kool-Aid as we speak!!! Not for us, for the Cretins that pop by!!!!

Merci Nelle’!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We should always keep the Kool-Aid handy!

Looks like Randy and Wandy are blowing everybody away so far.

With that hit, Andre kept my streak alive at #5!

lol you had to jinx it.

Crap….how do you give someone their first homer?!

Damn! Opie gives up another dinger!

WooHoo!!!! Let’s go Dodgers!!!!!!!

Now if we can get that run back, as soon as possible.

lol looking for a few good woman sign when Hudson came to back

oops bat

Yeah, Loney and Hudson!

Come on Wolf


Well it was Wolf that prone to the long ball and sigh that not a good Ab’s Wolf.

Should have tried a squeeze with Opie there…..

I can’t believe Tejada is that short.

C’mon, Andre!

Come on Dre!

I knew that was coming.

Dre just grounds into too many dp’s!


Dre just grounds into too many dp’s!

ALMOST, but that don’t count in this game.

Runners 2nd and 3rd, no outs. No runs scored. This is totally unacceptable.

Sorry for the double post.

Hand Grenades & Horseshoes, but not here, hey brooklyn.

Hi’Ya VL4!! No need to be sorry my friend. Feces occurs!!!!!!!!!

C’mon guys, Wolfie deserves some freaking runs!!!!!

Typical Randy Wolf type game, especially if the Dodgers tie it up after he leaves.

C’mon Marty, blow this b*stard up!!!!!

The boys are trying to pull this pitcher. If they’d just try to go the other way, I bet they could hit him. What do you all think?

Wandy’s breaking balls look like they may have some KY, or Vaseline applied before leaving his hand.

Come on Dodgers!!!

Matt just missed that one.

and here it is Wolf falling apart now poor guy.


Let’sjust hope we can keep the first half’s momentum going!

Is it just me, or does it seem like Wolf has picked up where Lowe left off with lack of run support, and no decisions so far this year?

I agree enchanted – borrrrrrinnnnng!!!

Ruh Roh!

We are in big trouble now!

Catch you all later

Nice 6 innings for RANDY.


This game is about to be out or reach

damn forget the dp take that lead runner out at home.

oldbrooklynfan – he did pitch a good game. It’s too bad they couldn’t score any runs for him.

Oh well. It could have been much worse. Houston’s bullpen stinks. They still have a good shot for another come from behind win.

Here we go, team, here we go!

That’s right Nelly, 6 good innings, but so did Rodriguez.

Great, Pierre is up and it put me in a time warp!

You are right once again, but it’s okay oldbrooklynfan – We will get to their bullpen. I think we have learned in the first half this game isn’t over unitl it’s over.

Good evening everyone…

Where was that hit last inning? Come on Pierre

Dodgers have to knock Wolf off the hook and give him his ND.

Ouch go figure

Joe’s really got them fired up to start the second half.

Man, that was some job by Arias.


It’s like the team is in a time warp too! lol

Geez, it’s the Astros, you guys!

Come on let Leach finished the ******* job done.


Joe blowing though the BP again.

It’s Huggy Bear!!!

Rockies are having a tough time with the Padres….they are only winning 10 – 0!

And this is also why Wolf is a #4 in any rotation – pitches just well enough to lose or get a ND, and still can’t go past 6 innings. Say what you will about lack of run support, I have to agree with a few others that he’s just not a winner. And that is why we don’t need another “Wolf-type” acquisition.


You gotta to hate that walk the first batter you face.

Nice. I think Leach could’ve walked him just as easily.

Uh oh!! Kahli’s asleep now too.

Are we being a little testy, Enchanted?! LOL


Not testy Tru, just assessing the facts. 🙂

To recap:
1. Wolf’s not a winner
2. Joe’s an idiot

LOL Tru!! He’s miffed!!!

In addition:
3. Martin needs to be catching in Toronto.
4. When you’re down by 3 and your big gun off the bench is Juan Pierre, your bench sucks.

5. Fire Ned!!
6. Fire Honeycutt!!!
7. Joe’s an idiot!!!

Torre stated at the break that the key to this whole thing is pitching, especially the starters going at least seven in the second half (see multiple bullpen injuries). Our hero went a strong SIX, gives up three straight hits to start the 7th, and he’s GONE! It’s a movie I’m really sick of watching. I mean, hell, tonight Jamie Moyer goes seven and gives up no runs, 1 hit…Cliff Lee goes 9 and gives up 1 run…even Ervin Santana goes 8 innings, 1 run in a win. Pitching seven innings is not like eating a plate of nails.

Hope Manny can manage to make it through the 9th inning. He’s had to run on and off the field several times now, and now he’s running the bases.

Thank God Blake saved Manny an inning on the basepaths. Now I think he just might make it.

Good thing the Dodgers get to face a slug like Oswalt tomorrow night………

Good thing the Dodgers get to face a slug like Oswalt tomorrow night………

I’m glad our Jhall and Enchanted are back! Things were way too pleasant around here the past few days!!!

Now we have to light a fire under our Dodgers!!! A stick of DynOmite sounds good!

BILZ is probably our only pitcher that can go 7 consistantly.
other will occasionally.


I do what I can Tru.

I do what I can…

Oldbrooklynfan ~ and Billz has to go up against Oswalt tomorrow!

That should be the rest of our pitchers besides BILZ will only go 7 occasionally.

And, what you do is greatly appreciated, Enchanted!


Billingsley won’t go 7 every time out but much more often the the rest of the staff.

We lost Wade again today and they called DeWitt up…….does he pitch now?!

JC!!!! Why change pitchers AGAIN????
I hate Joe Torre with an Andruw-like passion.

I agree with you, Enchanted. What will happen if we tie this game? Who’s gonna pitch?

Gonna be a heck of a summer!!!!!! This team is a roller coaster. Obvious peaks and valleys!!! I just don’t have a lot of faith in our coaching and management right now. I think we have the horsepower, but can’t get it to the road!!!!

How does your starter go 6 ******* innings, give up all 3 runs, and you still blow through another 4 ******* pitchers going the last 3?

If this team fades down the stretch due to an overworked bully, I’m going to personally be miffed at Torre.




Hey Dad!!! Disappointing effort tonight. Oh well, still in first. We’ll get’em tomorrow!!! How’ve you been doin’ my friend?

I get it, this was just the warm up game for the second half of the season. Pitch several, bat several, then tomorrow we start for real!! Go Dodgers!

Shhhhhhh, we’re trying to sleep……….

This is not how I expected to start the second half!


A truely uninspired effort – bravo.

WAKE UP!!!!! The game is over 🙂

Is DeWitt not with the team yet? Might he have been a better choice to PH against a righthander than Swetta?

Dammit, now I perturbed.


I hope we match the first half.
I doubt if we can do better because it was well done.
I truly feel it will be up to our bullpen to remain strong.
If the bull[pen falters, it won’t be easy.

We had our chances and blew them. Very disappointing. Just one loss, make’em pay tomorrow. Catch you all down the road. Goodnight gang!!!

Glad to be awake, nelly…I had an awful dream….the Dodgers call up DeWitt again after another relief pitcher goes belly up. Comforting to know this could never happen, not with Uncle Joe, Honeycutt, and Conte watching the store. These darn nightmares…………..

Goodnight Wally!!! Don’t do anything I wouldn’t do.

Goodnight Beav!! LOL!!! I guess that gives me Carte Blanc!!!

Jhall, I’m well!

Billz has gone at least 7 innings 10 times in 19 starts. That is exactly have of the 20 times our starters have gone 7. “Pitching seven innings is not like eating a plate of nails.
By kahliforni on July 16, 2009 9:57 PM” LOL!

Wolf, 4 in 20
Kersh, 4 in 18
Stultz, 1 in 9.
Kuroda, 1 in 9
Milton, 0 in 5
Weaver, 0 in 5
McDonald, 0 in 4

Gives me the heebee-geebees, but have fun anyway!!!

Good Night jhall/Wally – Take Care and God Bless. We will get them tomorrow just like you said. We have a tendancy to come back strong after a loss we shouldn’t have had. Let’s hope they stick to the trend.

Kahli – it wasn’t a dream, and it’s becoming a nightmare.

Better than crabs my brother!!! LOL!!! Keep the faith!!

God Bless Nell’!!! Goodnight!!!

Well, good late evening Ward Dear!!!! Those stats are yuck!!!!!

June, I think our parenting skills need some work.

LMAO!!!! jhall 🙂

Think I’ll hit it to – this game’s left a bad taste in my mouth.

Or I was drinking out of the dog water again…

Which parenting skills? – LMAO!!!! (jk) Wally and Beav are getting quite the vocabulary on this blog, aren’t they?

Well, if it’s the one your dog sleeps in then yea!!!

Good Night enchanted/Beav 🙂

Torre’s in love with the 1-inning stint.

Broxton went 1 inning or less in 33 of 38 appearances
Troncoso 26 in 41
Bellisario 27 in 43
Mota 26 in 38
Leach 32 in 33
Weaver 3 in 10
McDonald 10 in 13
Wade 21 in 27
Ohman 20 in 21
Elbert 0 in 4
Kuo 7 in 7
Schlichting 1 in 2
Vargas 2 in 2

I don’t know how that compares to other teams, I’m betting we lead MLB in games of 1 inning or less – 208. I’m thinking there’s another way. Let’s try this simple scenario:

Three games, starter goes 6 in each. Remember the good ol’ days when we had Bellisario? As long as we had a lead, Torre would use him in the 7th, Troncoso in the 8th and Brox in the ninth. So in those three games, the BP goes nine, and none of the three are available for the next game. Or too tired to be effective.

Why not this?

1st game Bellisario goes 2, Brox 1
2nd game Troncoso goes 2, Brox 1
3rd game a rested Bellisario goes 2, Troncoso 1
The same 3 guys pitched the same 9 innings, but for the 4th game Brox is rested and Bellisario is available for an inning.

I don’t think I’ve manipulated anything here. Work in Mota and Leach here and there and your guys get more rest with the same innings.

At least I believe they will. I don’t think I could burn out so many so soon.

I mean, doesn’t it make sense that pitching 2 innings every other day would be more restful than 1 inning every day? Particularly when you consider the warming up?

That is very good thinking Dodgereric, and that is why you are our ITD manager 🙂

So, I am guessing Joe thought Randy was done, or why pull him and not let him try to get out of the jam himself? The cameras showed Randy in the dugout and he was not happy, and I am guessing he was made at himself.

If Joe/Honeycutt can’t get these SP to go more than six innings, then they are going to have to have a plan anyway, right? So, why not your plan?

2006 Regular Season
LA 21 bs 61 svo 66.00 sv%
SF 22 59 63.00 sv%
STL 19 57 67.00

LA 17 60 72.00
SF 23 60 62.00
STL 11 45 76.00

LA 20 55 64.00
SF 19 60 68.00
STL 31 73 58.00

LA 17 43 60.00
SF 11 35 69.00
STL 7 31 77.00

I missed the 2007 bullpen and the Cards surely fixed there.

I still love the 2004 one.

LA 9 60 85.00
ATL 20 68 71.00
Stl 16 73 78.00
Flo 22 75 71.00

2003 the only team with no double digit bs.

LA 8 66 88.00
Hou 14 64 78.00

LA 15 71 79.00
ATL 15 72 79.00
Mil 10 42 76.00

Actually for the 2003 one I should say the only team with a save correction rate of over 80%+

Is that even possible? I didn’t think it was possible for a team to used there relievers with a combined 397.2 innings pitched.

Well there was leading from there starters a combined 1048.0 which is one of 3 teams with at least 1000+ innings from there starters.

Here’s a thought on saving the bully:

1. Don’t use 4 friggin pitchers in an 8-0 game.
2. Don’t use 4 friggin pitchers to get through the 7-8-9th.
3. Try letting a friggin reliever go more than 1 inning.

Thank You.

Good Morning enchanted!!! I see you have that fiery spirit once again this morning. I can’t wait to see what messagebear has to say this morning.

Wolf gave up 3 straight hits you knew that a recipe for him to come out.

YW Enchanted lol

I think Weaver need to stay in the bullpen at least he could give us 2 to 3 innings instead of wasting the freaking bullpen or probably Vargas but still don’t trust him.

Interesting have to love Blake/Kemp that batting 8th.

Frank McCourt reported gravely ill

really? LOL!!!!!

Enchanted, remember this beauty of a box score?
6/29 vs the Rockies
R Wolf 6 IP
R Belisario 1
R Troncoso 1
J Broxton 1
J Weaver 1
B Leach 1
G Mota 1
J McDonald 1
The offense finally got Torre off the hook by winning the game. We were down to using our starters.

Note to Torre, games have been known to go longer than 13 innings. Just how many innings were you intending for McDonald to pitch?

By the way, I’ve had enough. I wrote another letter to the Times this morning.

“Is there any way possible for the media to stop telling us that Juan Pierre single-handedly kept the Dodgers’ boat afloat during Manny Ramirez’ 50-game forced vacation? He was actually two different guys – first the savior that the media portrays, then a less-than-ordinary banjo hitter for the majority. As Casey Stengel used to say, “You could look it up.” I did.

He certainly played his brains out for the first 20 games, hitting .407 (37 for 87). But he was actually subpar for the last 30 games, hitting .244 (31 for 127).

I’m guessing that some of the other guys on the team had something to do with their good record sans-Manny.”

Being Friday, it’s probably too late to have them print it. But it felt good getting it off my chest.

Good morning, everyone!
Frustrating game last night, being shut down by the Astro’s young gun and his successors on the mound. Kind of like the typical game with Wolf pitching. Not that Wolf is bad, but you just don’t expect him to win games much anymore. I was preoccupied during much of the game, and jhall and enchanted were carrying on in their typical good style, so there was not much to add. We don’t need another Wolf type of pitcher, but Torre, the idiot Joe, has been asking for pitching even before the season began, and he hasn’t got much help from F***Off Ned. Ned typically waits until the situation gets desperate, and then he acts in his typically desperate fashion. Can’t wait for his 2009 version.

If Frank and the team CEO are engaged in this at all, they should give Ned only one message – get us Halladay without giving up essentially the rest of the team, and that is that. Billz and Kershaw are not yet ready to bring us the Big Ring, Wolf and Kuroda don’t even know what the ring looks like, and Halladay would probably make a bigger difference than Manny ever will.

Well, not that I have to say anything on THAT topic because I am sure everyone knows my feelings on THAT topic, but that letter was fantastic!!!!

Don’t forget, when we were all screaming for Coletti to get some pitching in the spring, he kept telling us that “It’s not a finished product right now – there will be sellers at the trading deadline – blah, blah, blah.”

You’re up, Ned. At least take the bat off your shoulder.

messagebear – Frank did it to get Manny. Let’s see if he can do it to get Doc.

Wonder what will happen..

Well, it sounds like the Yankees and Red Sox are not the Blue Jays friends right now. As for us, hmmmmm…………they are looking for a shortstop and DeJesus might be that person……or perhaps DeWitt?…………he is on the big league roster right now as the article suggested. Out of JMac, Lindbolm and Ethan Martin, who would you give up?

Good morning ITD boys and girls!
I am tired!!! We got home VERY EARLY Thursday morning (like after 1 AM) from our trip to MN (family reunion). But it was fun. While we were in MN, I wanted to watch the HR derby, but we went out that night (I really didn’t want to go, but everyone else did, so I acquiesced). I saw the highlights that night on ESPN. But I DEFINITELY wanted to watch the A.S. Game. We got to see the first inning (no sound), but it took a long time to get back that I wasn’t able to pick the game back up until about the 7th inning. Too bad that I missed Billz in the game, but saw the O-Dawg single and steal second. Too bad that Ryan Howard had to strike out with runners on 2nd and 3rd. I saw parts of last night’s game; was dozing most of the time. From what I hear, I didn’t miss much.

So how are my ITD friends this fine day???

My Nellygirl!!!
I would LOVE to have Halladay, but I’m afraid that we’d have to sell the farm to get him and then pony up mega $$$ to keep him. You mentioned DeJesus; is he better? I remember in ST that he broke his leg and was supposed to be out for the entire year healing. I don’t want to have DeWitt traded, but since both Raffy & Casey have 3 year contracts and I’m quite certain that the Dodgers will sign the O-Dawg to a contract extension, DeWitt very well could be the odd man out, and therefore, good trade bait. But you know that Toronto will ask for Billz or Kersh or, God forbid, both. Even if Toronto takes a JMac, Lindbolm or Ethan Martin, they’re still going to ask for a young pitcher like Billz or Kersh with MLB experience. At least, that’s what I see. And about your question on who would I give up out of JMac, Lindbolm and Ethan Martin, I have no clue…

….hoping for win today CP!!! Last night’s game was just blah – no excitement other than the potential Grand Slam opportunity for #16, bounced into another double play. How was the reunion itself?

Well, DeJesus was just mentioned in the article dodgereric posted so I thought I would bring it up. I had forgotten about him being injured until you posted that. I wonder how he is doing?

My Nellygirl!
Okay, I see we’re still having time warp issues. I read your response about … no excitement other than the potential Grand Slam opportunity for #16… before I posted my thoughts on Halladay! Oh well!

About the reunion, it was a blast!!! It was in a complex that had a gymnasium that we used to shoot hoops, play a little volleyball, etc. That was Saturday. If we were ever going to go to the Metrodome to see a game, it would’ve been on Sunday. But we went to one of MN’s 10,000 lakes and had a BBQ and jet-skied! That was fun! Monday we went out for breakfast and then split up. We spent Monday and Tuesday nights in Emmetsburg, IA. That’s where Jim’s mom lives. Our flight out of Minneapolis wasn’t until 9:40 PM on Wednesday night, so we drove to the Mall of America and spent some 4 hours there. Man, that place is HUGE!!! There’s an amusement park and everything there!!! Then we flew home and like I said, by the time we got back home, it was after 1 AM on Thursday. I’m better now.

I did see that potential Grand Slam opportunity for #16, and I saw that he bounced into another double play. I don’t know, but this year, I’ve seen Andre swing at a lot of first and second pitches this year; certainly more than he’s been known for his first few years. Something has to be worked on there…

Well, that sounds like you had a fantastic time. I have only seen shows about the Mall of America, and it does look pretty impressive. I am glad you had a good time, and your travels seemed to be without any troubles. My husband’s aunts and a bunch of cousins are in IA. My mother-in-law is from there – Washington, IA to be exact, but the cousins are spread out all over the state now, mostly in the bigger cities, like Cedar Rapids and Des Moines.

As for #16, I am thinking he is just in a different role of hitting for power, so all the things that come with that are the things that are happening to him………………more strikeouts and more opportunities to do things like bouncing into double plays and force outs because he seems to always be up with runners on base. It’s frustrating to watch, but once he figures it all out, he will be just fine IMO. I am sure he was pretty mad at himself last night, but as they scanned the dugout when they were back up, he was chewing on his pumpkin seeds like always. In the end, I rather have him up to bat in that situation anytime over our 4th outfielder. At least Andre, we know has the potential and will, hit that Grand Slam or base clearing double some day. I can’t say that about our 4th outfielder.

But while we were in MN, even though I certainly wanted to see my Dodgers, I couldn’t. So I ended up watching the 9th inning of the Gnat’s no hitter by Sanchez. But I while I was in MN & IA, I was going thru some major baseball withdrawals. I couldn’t hear anything on the radio; and our rental car even had satellite radio. But it was Sirius, not XM. The timings of everything was such that I didn’t see anything on TV either. Oh well…

I do remember that game Eric – total BS handling of a pitching staff.

I would gladly give up JMac before I’d give up Lindblom. I still say JMac, Russell Martin and DeWitt for Halladay. If we want a catcher back (Barajas), then throw in DeJesus too.

Oh Eric is was a different one.

Shad – That Frank McCourt is the smart one 🙂

I was looking for old Isotopes’ news archives; I was looking for an article on DeJesus and the progress on his injury. I didn’t find that, but I did find this article; take a gander at what the ‘topes will be giving away…

And enchanted, don’t you think that even if Toronto says okay to a package of JMac, Russell Martin and DeWitt for Halladay, don’t you think they’ll want a pitcher like Billz and/or Kersh who has MLB experience??? I mean, JMac has MLB experience, but not the kind that Kersh and certainly Billz already have…

Why is that indianslover post her site on this blog?

Nelly – My brother-in-law lives in the Des Moines area. I looked up Washington, IA on Mapquest; weird. It says that there are two Washington, IA; one northwest of Cedar Rapids, the other one straight south of Cedar Rapids. Now why would there be two cities named Washington in the state of IA, with both in semi-close proximity to each other??? Strange… I’m not worried for #16 too. I too think he will be just fine. Did we ever say that we think a lot alike??? 🙂

Anyone who would give up Billz or Kersh for a 1 1/3 year rental is an idi………

……..never mind.

That’s a pretty good deal for the Isotopes fans out there………very cool!

We’d be taking on a bunch of extra salary too CP, so Toronto has to factor that in with JMac. Also, I can’t see a point of trading one front line starter for another. Trading Billz or Kersh for Halladay isn’t enough of an upgrade in the playoffs to justify it. It only works if you keep Billz and Kersh so you don’t have to use Wolf or Kuroda. If you go into the playoffs with say Halladay/Kersh/Kuroda its not much different than going in with Bills/Kersh/Kuroda.

Give them all those pitchers 1st and 2nd round we drafted in 2003 and 2004 lol. Isn’t Greg Miller, Justin Orenduff and Scott Elbert all from that class?

Too bad it won’t happen

Eric – I would NOT give up Billz or Kersh for a 1 1/3 year rental. And don’t call me an idi… I know you’re not…

And enchanted, I forgot about the extra salary for Halladay. Again, I would NOT give up Billz or Kersh. That’s too high a price for me…

Well, I’ve gotta go. I’ve gotta go to my non-paying job at the hospital. I’ll catch up with y’all later…


CP – I have been out there once, and I believe she south of Cedar Rapids. His aunt lives in Fairfield and that is south also.

………….and yes, we do think alike. I am guessing bluecrewgirl is feeling the same way about #16. He will be there when we really need him, no doubt about that.

Have a great day CP!!!! …………and catch up with you later,and I am pretty sure Dodgereric was talking about our management (Ned) and not you :)))

Letting Kemp or Ethier go for a FA Pitcher would qualify as a Ned Coletti Panic Move for me. Just because SI is saying they’d need to be included doesn’t make it so… and if Lucky Neddy is a front runner for NL Executive of the Year, he should be creative enough not to leave us with only one young gun in the outfield with Defensive Greats Juan Pierre and Manny Ramirez.

I’m just haunted by that trade for Penny, and how he pitched one game until he was sidelined for the rest of the year. Yeah, good pitcher after that, and would’ve been killer in the ’04 Playoffs, but we got him for ’04, gave them half the team, and he failed to help us.

Halladay’s a “sure thing” for any teams to realize their World Series dreams? Yeah, the Dodgers were the “sure thing” team to win the NLCS and go to the Series last year… how did that turn out again?

Judging from the all-knowing tone of SI’s article, I guess this means we’re more likely to pawn Manny on them than Juanpy. And you know what? At this point, I’d rather they have their pick of those two, no questions asked, than to have them take Kemp or Ethier (but please, let’s lock them in soon.)

Personally I’d be delighted if the Jays took Manny for Halliday. I don’t think they’re that dumb.

……no they aren’t messagebear 🙂

northstateblues – fantastic post once again.

NSB, I agree with you about trading Ethier or Kemp. Neither of these two players is “surplus” with someone in the wings waiting to take their place. I would add Loney to your list for the same reason. I also don’t think it would make sense to trade Bills or Kershaw even for a more experienced starting pitcher just to win this year.

Since it’s Torre’s birthday tomorrow, maybe Ned and Frank should give him what he wants………………..a SP that can help the club, without taking away from the club. I don’t think it’s too much to ask.

Nelly, be careful what you wish for.

Well, like Dodgereric said, Ned said the team wasn’t complete, so maybe now is the time to make it complete. However, I agree………………common sense in who we give up is key, and common sense is not always how Ned’s strong suit, is it?

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